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<blockquote data-quote="Zimri" data-source="post: 4652252" data-attributes="member: 15991">And if you truly do have a dichotomy that breaks down to &quot;some things are broken or non functional&quot; (like you have called humans, and by the way if you are not human what are you since you don't like being lumped in with &quot;us&quot;) and &quot; Other things (like your amoral self) are functional&quot; then you still have an absolutist view. All you've managed to do is change the wording from &quot;good vs evil&quot; to &quot; (things I deem) functional vs (things I deem) dysfunctional&quot;Any society or community is absolutist in so far as it is insular, and/or in so far as it has the might to exercise it's will on the individual. You do not have to agree with it's rules or laws but if you do not then you will find yourself &quot;imprisoned or on the run&quot; or otherwise unable to participate in the boons balms and benefits of said society. For example there are some people who I deem unworthy of life, the reason I don't end their lives is not because **I** think killing is wrong (I think some people need to be killed), rather it is because I would lose more than I would gain were I to break those specific laws.I would however, jaywalk, speed, nab some supplies from the office for home, threaten someone, lie, flirt with someone not my spouse, keep money I find on the street, protest against government policy. etc because here the laws against those are largely unenforceable or carry sentences/fines that would not largely inconvenience me. In this regard I truthfully don't think I am that different from most north americans.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zimri, post: 4652252, member: 15991"] And if you truly do have a dichotomy that breaks down to "some things are broken or non functional" (like you have called humans, and by the way if you are not human what are you since you don't like being lumped in with "us") and " Other things (like your amoral self) are functional" then you still have an absolutist view. All you've managed to do is change the wording from "good vs evil" to " (things I deem) functional vs (things I deem) dysfunctional" Any society or community is absolutist in so far as it is insular, and/or in so far as it has the might to exercise it's will on the individual. You do not have to agree with it's rules or laws but if you do not then you will find yourself "imprisoned or on the run" or otherwise unable to participate in the boons balms and benefits of said society. For example there are some people who I deem unworthy of life, the reason I don't end their lives is not because **I** think killing is wrong (I think some people need to be killed), rather it is because I would lose more than I would gain were I to break those specific laws. I would however, jaywalk, speed, nab some supplies from the office for home, threaten someone, lie, flirt with someone not my spouse, keep money I find on the street, protest against government policy. etc because here the laws against those are largely unenforceable or carry sentences/fines that would not largely inconvenience me. In this regard I truthfully don't think I am that different from most north americans. [/QUOTE]

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