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<blockquote data-quote="just__al" data-source="post: 3050779" data-attributes="member: 11068">A 14th level character should have WIPED THE @#$*@#$ FLOOR with your rag tag gang of fledgling adventurers.This tells me a few things1) The DM was probably expecting you to use stealth/diplomacy/trickery or some other option other than a jail break2) The DM has a tenous grasp on the ruleset at best and no idea of the CR system.3) As a group you made no effort to do any investigation as to who might be guarding the jail. A ninth level wizard with Assassin levels would probably be found from a simple gather info check.&nbsp; 4) You did your info gathering and the uber mage guarding the jail didn't come up so the DM is a BOZO.5) The DM has a tenous grasp on the ruleset at best and no idea of the CR system.6) A delay poison potion would allow somebody to carry poison darts in their mouth and not worry. (ooh, I might have to have somone do that at some point)7) In the face of all this you fudged, you feel guilty enough to post, but I bet way down you feel PROVOKED and almost justified.&nbsp; (I'd let it go)I don't know if the clues were there that breaking in was a bad idea.&nbsp; I'm betting not.&nbsp; I also don't know that you didn't try stealth but &quot;SOMEBODY GOT A FOUR, YOU HEAR ME A GOT A FOUR&quot; on their move silently check and all hades broke loose.My theory is that the DM is a BOZO with a tenous grasp on the rules and the CR system.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="just__al, post: 3050779, member: 11068"] A 14th level character should have WIPED THE @#$*@#$ FLOOR with your rag tag gang of fledgling adventurers. This tells me a few things 1) The DM was probably expecting you to use stealth/diplomacy/trickery or some other option other than a jail break 2) The DM has a tenous grasp on the ruleset at best and no idea of the CR system. 3) As a group you made no effort to do any investigation as to who might be guarding the jail. A ninth level wizard with Assassin levels would probably be found from a simple gather info check. 4) You did your info gathering and the uber mage guarding the jail didn't come up so the DM is a BOZO. 5) The DM has a tenous grasp on the ruleset at best and no idea of the CR system. 6) A delay poison potion would allow somebody to carry poison darts in their mouth and not worry. (ooh, I might have to have somone do that at some point) 7) In the face of all this you fudged, you feel guilty enough to post, but I bet way down you feel PROVOKED and almost justified. (I'd let it go) I don't know if the clues were there that breaking in was a bad idea. I'm betting not. I also don't know that you didn't try stealth but "SOMEBODY GOT A FOUR, YOU HEAR ME A GOT A FOUR" on their move silently check and all hades broke loose. My theory is that the DM is a BOZO with a tenous grasp on the rules and the CR system. [/QUOTE]

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