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<blockquote data-quote="tburdett" data-source="post: 786846" data-attributes="member: 4714">If you think that's bad, consider this.&nbsp; When we first started with 3rd edition the previous DM told us that CR was equivilent to character level.&nbsp; He assured us that he knew the rules.He wanted to let us try out using creatures as characters and told us to pick something that was 20th level total (CR + character levels).&nbsp; He had always wanted to do this because he thought it would be interesting and fun.&nbsp; He assured us that he had spent weeks working on a campaign and that everything was ready.I flipped through the MM and immediately selected the Solar.&nbsp; Seeing that they were creatures of law and good I added 1 level of Paladin to bring it up to 20 levels.&nbsp; The DM looked a little worried when he reviewed my character at the start of the session.&nbsp; After asking me a few questions about my magic equipment he went back and looked at his campaign notes for a bit.&nbsp; He looked uncertain.&nbsp; He looked concerned.About 30 minutes into the game, and about 2 rounds into the first combat, we realized that he had made a serious error.&nbsp; A group of Pit Fiends should be able to do more than fall over and&nbsp; die when attacked, right?We stopped, threw the characters away, and spent the rest of that first night creating 1st level characters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tburdett, post: 786846, member: 4714"] If you think that's bad, consider this. When we first started with 3rd edition the previous DM told us that CR was equivilent to character level. He assured us that he knew the rules. He wanted to let us try out using creatures as characters and told us to pick something that was 20th level total (CR + character levels). He had always wanted to do this because he thought it would be interesting and fun. He assured us that he had spent weeks working on a campaign and that everything was ready. I flipped through the MM and immediately selected the Solar. Seeing that they were creatures of law and good I added 1 level of Paladin to bring it up to 20 levels. The DM looked a little worried when he reviewed my character at the start of the session. After asking me a few questions about my magic equipment he went back and looked at his campaign notes for a bit. He looked uncertain. He looked concerned. About 30 minutes into the game, and about 2 rounds into the first combat, we realized that he had made a serious error. A group of Pit Fiends should be able to do more than fall over and die when attacked, right? We stopped, threw the characters away, and spent the rest of that first night creating 1st level characters. [/QUOTE]

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