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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 629629" data-attributes="member: 151">I enjoyed Jordan before he lost his way (and, apparently, his editor).&nbsp; But GRRM, on the other hand, has yet to fail to please.&nbsp; His prose is exacting, his characters intriguing and the plot is unpredictable.&nbsp; I disagree that there are no heroes in the series, although if you're looking for a kwisatz hadderach ala Richard Cypher (&quot;You are a rare man, Richard Cypher&quot;), you won't find him here.&nbsp; Most of GRRM's characters are too difficult to pin down as straight villains or heroes....they're people, real three-dimensional characters.When's the last time Jordan killed an actual main character?&nbsp; The one he did kill, everyone pretty much assumes she's still alive, since we don't KNOW that she's dead.&nbsp; GRRM's narrative feels like it's GOING SOMEWHERE.&nbsp; I still love Jordan, but he no longer grabs me as he once did.&nbsp; We need more of the 'Conan' Jordan, these days.And for the record, GRRM is not a fantasy writer, he's a writer.&nbsp; He's written as much Science-Fiction and modern fantasy as 'swords-and-sorcery', and unlike Jordan, some of his best work, IMHO, is as AN EDITOR, not a writer.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 629629, member: 151"] I enjoyed Jordan before he lost his way (and, apparently, his editor). But GRRM, on the other hand, has yet to fail to please. His prose is exacting, his characters intriguing and the plot is unpredictable. I disagree that there are no heroes in the series, although if you're looking for a kwisatz hadderach ala Richard Cypher ("You are a rare man, Richard Cypher"), you won't find him here. Most of GRRM's characters are too difficult to pin down as straight villains or heroes....they're people, real three-dimensional characters. When's the last time Jordan killed an actual main character? The one he did kill, everyone pretty much assumes she's still alive, since we don't KNOW that she's dead. GRRM's narrative feels like it's GOING SOMEWHERE. I still love Jordan, but he no longer grabs me as he once did. We need more of the 'Conan' Jordan, these days. And for the record, GRRM is not a fantasy writer, he's a writer. He's written as much Science-Fiction and modern fantasy as 'swords-and-sorcery', and unlike Jordan, some of his best work, IMHO, is as AN EDITOR, not a writer. [/QUOTE]

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