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I don't actually get the opposition for the warlord... or rather the opposition to the concept.
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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 6728393" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>Healing is only part of it. The class was heavily tied to 4E mechanics and concepts such as the leader role and the AEDU power structure. Apparently there were also isses with the class in organized play (using other PCs as pawns with powers).</p><p></p><p> To make an accurate warlord faithful to the 4E version I suppose you would have to reintroduce things that people hated in 4E. 4E was not well received to put it mildly. I don't care if the class exists as such just maybe it should not be in the PHB. The class was also overpowered with the essential classes and magic items that enhanced melee basic attacks and at will powers that could be used as MBA..</p><p></p><p> The lazylord build also acted as a force magnifier. You get a class that is OK at healing but can drastically boost a parties damage per round. It looks innocent enough but then you realize the warlord is boosting whatever needs it the most.</p><p></p><p> Its also a reason why people probably find the Ranger underwhelming. In 4E it was the best striker by DPR, in 5E the hunter is decent enough but the beastmaster can't do that. </p><p></p><p> The class also encourages a large amount of min/maxing. In the right party it is awesome in the wrong party not so much. The 4E Warlord and Ranger were very powerful though in that edition. The equivalent would be 3.5 players demanding the concentration mechanic should go and spells scale for free (damage dealing spells scaling for free did not break 3.5 though the main culprits were other spells).</p><p></p><p>Relative class power has differed by the editions though and pre 3E what rules were allowed (weapon specialization and kits for fighters in AD&D). </p><p></p><p>The warlord was only in one edition of D&D, most of the other classes were in several editions and even newer classes like Sorcerer and Warlock have been in 3 editions. Unfortunately for the warlord 4E was very different and to make a decent warlord you would need to bring back things people hated about that edition. The rise of Pathfinder and the OSR resurgence also demonstrated to WoTC that the fanbase was also willing to give them the collective finger and play other games so it is more or less a popularity contest and the warlord did not do so well in polls for popular classes (it was not the least popular class though).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 6728393, member: 6716779"] Healing is only part of it. The class was heavily tied to 4E mechanics and concepts such as the leader role and the AEDU power structure. Apparently there were also isses with the class in organized play (using other PCs as pawns with powers). To make an accurate warlord faithful to the 4E version I suppose you would have to reintroduce things that people hated in 4E. 4E was not well received to put it mildly. I don't care if the class exists as such just maybe it should not be in the PHB. The class was also overpowered with the essential classes and magic items that enhanced melee basic attacks and at will powers that could be used as MBA.. The lazylord build also acted as a force magnifier. You get a class that is OK at healing but can drastically boost a parties damage per round. It looks innocent enough but then you realize the warlord is boosting whatever needs it the most. Its also a reason why people probably find the Ranger underwhelming. In 4E it was the best striker by DPR, in 5E the hunter is decent enough but the beastmaster can't do that. The class also encourages a large amount of min/maxing. In the right party it is awesome in the wrong party not so much. The 4E Warlord and Ranger were very powerful though in that edition. The equivalent would be 3.5 players demanding the concentration mechanic should go and spells scale for free (damage dealing spells scaling for free did not break 3.5 though the main culprits were other spells). Relative class power has differed by the editions though and pre 3E what rules were allowed (weapon specialization and kits for fighters in AD&D). The warlord was only in one edition of D&D, most of the other classes were in several editions and even newer classes like Sorcerer and Warlock have been in 3 editions. Unfortunately for the warlord 4E was very different and to make a decent warlord you would need to bring back things people hated about that edition. The rise of Pathfinder and the OSR resurgence also demonstrated to WoTC that the fanbase was also willing to give them the collective finger and play other games so it is more or less a popularity contest and the warlord did not do so well in polls for popular classes (it was not the least popular class though). [/QUOTE]
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