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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6728949" data-attributes="member: 996">People want the Warlord because it was a great class, that gave solid mechanical support to concepts and play styles that couldn't be done well before (and, in 5e, once again cannot be done that well at all).  People don't want the Warlord for the reciprocal of the same reason:  it opens up character concepts and play styles that they don't approve of, and do not want to allow anyone to play.You can ascribe all sorts of motivations to those desires - many of them having to do with the edition war, including the edition-war skirmishes over how to over-analyze hps that you allude to, or 'caster-supremacy' agendas (or the reverse), or whatever - but the basic issue is that the Warlord expanded the character concepts you could play in D&D and the styles in which the game could be played.It is, but doing so makes you theoretically 'wrong' on some academic 'RAW' level.   That seemed really important under the 3.5 zietgeist, but it really shouldn't matter in 5e.  5e is meant to be a unifying edition, for all prior fans of D&D (and incidentally, it's hoped for potential new ones), and that mean no one gets to be 'right,' even though, inevitably, the default Basic and Standard games have let certain fans feel that way (arguably old-school Basic and AD&D respectively) a bit more than others.     The idea is you can invert that argument.  By including a class, you allow a sole player at the table to 'force' everyone to play a certain way just by picking that class.  That's both absurd on the face of it, and a meaningless truism.  It's absurd because players should have some basic respect for eachother, for the DM's vision of the campaign, and should communicate enough to know what kind of campaign is being played.  It's a truism because any/every class implies things about the setting and the nature & tone of the campaign, and can affect how PC's interact & players get along.</blockquote>

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