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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CaptainGemini" data-source="post: 6735209" data-attributes="member: 6801122">Making the Warlord a subclass doesn't take away those builds if they handle it correctly. There's easily half a dozen builds with any subclass right now. You don't really need another full class for what amounts to a niche role.And psionics... a series of subclasses for each class could solve that. Psychic warrior? Fighter subclass. Wilder? Sorcerer subclass. Psionicist? Wizard subclass. And so on. You could even come up with entirely new psionics options via this method while still keeping it to the current class system.Plus, they really do need to flush out the main classes with a lot more subclasses before we're even close to those having enough attention.What very clear need? I've seen these arguments a hundred times before, and they all amount to what people want without a true justification that it's actually needed.Personally? I would love a psionics class... but I can't justify it. I can use the same arguments people use for a Warlord... and, at the end of the day, have never justified adding one at all.No, there is no very clear need. The system they have in place eliminates most of the necessity, and careful balancing of new additions as subclasses will eliminate the rest.And, before someone says anything about giving people what they want being a good idea: WotC has already learned from that mistake. Listening to people on forums is what produced 4E, and we all know how that edition turned out. So, yeah, if they're smart, they'll put forum topics like this right on their ignore list and continue listening to the surveys. Which it appears they have. And, hey, guess what surveys caused the lack of Warlord in 5E?Nah. The really crazy 3.5 class bloat is in Pathfinder. Plus, 3.5 had a growing list of base classes long before it ended.And if they do PrCs how I suspect they will, those will also be limited in number with not much room to grow.Now, where do I think the bloat will happen? Subclasses. They've pretty much set 5E up for that being the bloat this time around. The slow production time just keeps it from happening quickly. And, I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. If handled right and kept slow, subclass bloat could benefit the game heavily in the long run. After all, are you ever going to say no to more options for your character?</blockquote>

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