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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5794953" data-attributes="member: 42582">It's not to do with complexity. As I posted upthread, it's to do with certain mechanical features:*increases in &quot;+&quot; of magic weapon needed to hit a creature (compare Basic D&amp;D to AD&amp;D);*increased proficiency/specialisation mechanics;*a wider range of &quot;+&quot; magic weapons available;*scaling ACs.Of these four considerations, only the first two go to complexity, and neither is all that complex. 4e is actually less baroque than AD&amp;D in certain respects - it drops the requirement of magic to hit altogether, and just factors pluses of weapons into the scaling of bonuses vs defences.A system like Burning Wheel is, arbuably at least, as baroque in its action resolution mechanics as 4e, but rust monsters wouldn't be a problem (except perhaps a bit too gonzo for the flavour of the game) because it has minimal scaling, minimal role of magic weapons, and broader proficiency/specialisation categories than any version of D&amp;D since Basic.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 5794953, member: 42582"] It's not to do with complexity. As I posted upthread, it's to do with certain mechanical features: *increases in "+" of magic weapon needed to hit a creature (compare Basic D&D to AD&D); *increased proficiency/specialisation mechanics; *a wider range of "+" magic weapons available; *scaling ACs. Of these four considerations, only the first two go to complexity, and neither is all that complex. 4e is actually less baroque than AD&D in certain respects - it drops the requirement of magic to hit altogether, and just factors pluses of weapons into the scaling of bonuses vs defences. A system like Burning Wheel is, arbuably at least, as baroque in its action resolution mechanics as 4e, but rust monsters wouldn't be a problem (except perhaps a bit too gonzo for the flavour of the game) because it has minimal scaling, minimal role of magic weapons, and broader proficiency/specialisation categories than any version of D&D since Basic. [/QUOTE]

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