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<blockquote data-quote="Bendris Noulg" data-source="post: 1291458" data-attributes="member: 6398"><p>Problem, bub, is that you didn't present these as your "experience". You got up on your pedestal and proclaimed it a universal truth, denouncing anything said otherwise with insinuations of railroading, hand-holding, and power-dming towards those that do otherwise than you. If you <em>had</em> presented them as your experience, I would have simply offered my sympathies for your unfortunate gaming experiences and wished you better luck in the future. However, you didn't.</p><p> </p><p>More insinuations, eh? Gee, this <em>is</em> a productive conversation, isn't it? And, no, I didn't take it as me, directly, at first; I simply tried to indicate that such things <em>are</em> possible without the issues you indicated. However, as before, you refuted such possibilities as universally impossible rather than simply stating that you hadn't had the good fortune of experiencing otherwise.</p><p> </p><p>A: I see no reason to contradict this since I never argued it. However, going with a published source, good ol' Palace of the Silver Princes (B3, was it?) presented a low level (1-3) adventure where the PCs save a kingdom. Forgive me for using archaic references (my 3E adventure knowledge is a little shaky since I stopped buying pre-made adventures nearly 10 years ago), but doesn't the Master of the Desert Nomads series (4-8 or something like that) have the PCs stemming a major invasion of the "known world" of Expert D&D?</p><p> </p><p>So, no, I'm not going to try to prove something that published material already validates.</p><p> </p><p>B: I would never attempt to contradict that, as WotC went through great pains to figure out what would attract the average American (with their 6th Grade Reading Level) to a new edition and, judging on how things have gone, they were right. And, of course, I don't think you would enjoy my game. Your favoritism towards high-powered magic, lack of belief that low-level characters can be influential, and obvious prejudice against anything otherwise is rather clear and I would never consider waisting either your time nor mine in such a futile effort.</p><p> </p><p>Now, to point: You have yet to prove that low powered games are <em>only</em> the purview of railroading power-dms. Although, now, you have admitted that this earlier claim is only the result of your personal (and thus limited) experience, so perhaps you don't need to.</p><p> </p><p>Doped up? That's an interesting statement. What, prey tell, would indicate that I'm "doped up"? Or is this just another insinuation aimed at discrediting my statements without any burden of proof?</p><p> </p><p>Yes, I think it's the later... It's about all I've seen from you with any consistacy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bendris Noulg, post: 1291458, member: 6398"] Problem, bub, is that you didn't present these as your "experience". You got up on your pedestal and proclaimed it a universal truth, denouncing anything said otherwise with insinuations of railroading, hand-holding, and power-dming towards those that do otherwise than you. If you [i]had[/i] presented them as your experience, I would have simply offered my sympathies for your unfortunate gaming experiences and wished you better luck in the future. However, you didn't. More insinuations, eh? Gee, this [i]is[/i] a productive conversation, isn't it? And, no, I didn't take it as me, directly, at first; I simply tried to indicate that such things [i]are[/i] possible without the issues you indicated. However, as before, you refuted such possibilities as universally impossible rather than simply stating that you hadn't had the good fortune of experiencing otherwise. A: I see no reason to contradict this since I never argued it. However, going with a published source, good ol' Palace of the Silver Princes (B3, was it?) presented a low level (1-3) adventure where the PCs save a kingdom. Forgive me for using archaic references (my 3E adventure knowledge is a little shaky since I stopped buying pre-made adventures nearly 10 years ago), but doesn't the Master of the Desert Nomads series (4-8 or something like that) have the PCs stemming a major invasion of the "known world" of Expert D&D? So, no, I'm not going to try to prove something that published material already validates. B: I would never attempt to contradict that, as WotC went through great pains to figure out what would attract the average American (with their 6th Grade Reading Level) to a new edition and, judging on how things have gone, they were right. And, of course, I don't think you would enjoy my game. Your favoritism towards high-powered magic, lack of belief that low-level characters can be influential, and obvious prejudice against anything otherwise is rather clear and I would never consider waisting either your time nor mine in such a futile effort. Now, to point: You have yet to prove that low powered games are [i]only[/i] the purview of railroading power-dms. Although, now, you have admitted that this earlier claim is only the result of your personal (and thus limited) experience, so perhaps you don't need to. Doped up? That's an interesting statement. What, prey tell, would indicate that I'm "doped up"? Or is this just another insinuation aimed at discrediting my statements without any burden of proof? Yes, I think it's the later... It's about all I've seen from you with any consistacy. [/QUOTE]
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