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Message: <blockquote data-quote="two" data-source="post: 3003913" data-attributes="member: 9002">We pretty much agree on the basics, it's just terminology getting in the way.I guess I don't see the arbitrary nerfing of throwing concepts in the core rules as anything other than a mechanical deficiency.It would be very easy to fix, with no balance issues.I think a cool character concept that gets screwed over by core mechanics is really, really, really lame.  Exactly because it punishes the people you don't want punished -- the players that are not simply trying to maximize everything.As I said before, I simply want parity for the thrower.  I don't think, and still don't think, your unnamed thrower build fits the bill.  You simply have too many core rules to fight against.  Plus "in your element" seems to be a corridor less than 5' high...which, well, is a little specific.  You need THAT to acheive parity? How often do you run across those <5' corridors that still allow you line of sight to use ranged weapons?And the beginning, middle, and end of the day, D&D rewards combat prowess with XP.  There are non-combat awards too... they are about 1/10 as common, if that.No.  In D&D a "viable" build is not a swimming specialist.  In a game that is not so focussed on combat -- maybe.  But if you PC spends all their $ and is totally focussed on...swimming... that's great.  But it's not a viable build for D&D.  The PC is in fact an anchor most of the time (and a boring one-trick pony at that).Similarly a throwing master using core rules burns up millions of feats and $ in an attempt to simply do average archery damage, some of the time.  He too, will be a bit of an anchor to the party (a one trick pony that's not even that effective).It's a shame.  I wish it were not so.  But I think it is.</blockquote>

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