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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9727137" data-attributes="member: 18">Yeah a lot of the seriousness and complexity of the races got added "after the fact" with 40K. Like even if you take Rogue Trader at face value, ignore the obvious joking and references and so on, it doesn't present the Eldar (long before any "Aeldari" nonsense lol) as anything but bizarrely human-like beings (right down to being able to interbreed with humans), who are just longer-lived, have infravision, and a different culture, essentially. There's none of this drivel about inscrutable alien logic and so on.Even in 2E 40K ("Space Marine"), the level of hype re: the Eldar (still no Aeldari!) is much lower. They are more hyped, but they still have "feet of clay", which I would argue those feet have graaaaaduaaaaalllllly come back over recent editions. The maximum peak of "They are inscrutable totally alien beings" aligns with the peak of taking the Imperium 100% seriously and giving people the [extremely mistaken] opinion that maybe the Imperium is overall merely "hard men making hard choices", rather than overall corrupt lunatic theofascists who constantly trip over their own dick (GW has since endorsed the latter interpretation thankfully, whereas half of 4Chan and All The Worst People endorsed the former one). That peak was in like 3/4/5E 40K.I mean, this is D&D. Anyone pretending that like 60%+ of D&D players wouldn't (metaphorically, I stress) throw their grandma in front of a bus for +1 to hit and damage on virtually every attack/damage roll forever with that character is being damn silly. And given the threshold here was much, much lower than grandma goes under the bus, but merely "limit race choice to ones that give at least a +1 (for people using the standard array, which is most people playing 5E) to the right ASI (+2 usually results in a 17, which longer-term is better but short-term is irrelevant), then yeah that was how it was working out in practice.</blockquote>

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