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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5700306" data-attributes="member: 22779">OOoh, I was so with you right up to that last sentence.&nbsp; Why is it people have to define D&amp;D as &quot;D&amp;D is what I like&quot;?&nbsp; You don't like healing surges.&nbsp; That's groovy.&nbsp; No worries.&nbsp; But, why does that suddenly make 4e a &quot;shadow of a brand name&quot;?&nbsp; Every single edition caters to different tastes and styles.&nbsp; To the point where those tastes and styles are actually contradictory.&nbsp; Yet, I miss the point where you are claiming that 3e isn't D&amp;D and is a &quot;shadow of a brand name&quot;.&nbsp; After all, 3e is much, much farther apart from, say, Basic/Expert D&amp;D than it is to 4e.Thing is, most of the time, the difference makes virtually no difference at all.&nbsp; Sure, if someone gets dropped, then it might be difficult to narrate.&nbsp; But, unless that happens, you narrate 4e pretty much the exact same way as every other edition (mostly linear) with the occasional hiccup when someone interrupts something.&nbsp; This isn't going to happen every action, and, while it might happen every combat, it's again not going to happen every round.It's a lot like the difference between 1-2-1 and 1-1-1.&nbsp; 90% of the time, it makes zero difference to the game.&nbsp; None.&nbsp; You move and take actions in exactly the same way.&nbsp; It's just that there is this small subset of actions where it does make a difference.&nbsp; And, given how much emphasis mobility has in 4e, it makes sense to streamline the rules so that that 10% doesn't bog the game down.So, most of the time, healing surges work pretty much the same as healing always has.&nbsp; Does it really matter if the cleric is healing &quot;damage&quot; (whatever that is)?&nbsp; People talk about having a wounds/vitality system.&nbsp; Not a bad idea.&nbsp; Then again, if you swap out the word Hit Points for Vitality, suddenly there's no problem at all.&nbsp; You run out of vitality, you fall down.&nbsp; No one helps you and you die.&nbsp; If someone helps you, then you weren't dying in the first place, you were just knocked out or whatever for a short while.Again, totally fits with genre expectations and is fairly easy to play.But, the constant cries of &quot;IT'S NOT REALLY D&amp;D&quot; just take away so much of your point BryonD.&nbsp; They take what is a really good criticism of 4e and make it so much edition warring crap.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5700306, member: 22779"] OOoh, I was so with you right up to that last sentence. Why is it people have to define D&D as "D&D is what I like"? You don't like healing surges. That's groovy. No worries. But, why does that suddenly make 4e a "shadow of a brand name"? Every single edition caters to different tastes and styles. To the point where those tastes and styles are actually contradictory. Yet, I miss the point where you are claiming that 3e isn't D&D and is a "shadow of a brand name". After all, 3e is much, much farther apart from, say, Basic/Expert D&D than it is to 4e. Thing is, most of the time, the difference makes virtually no difference at all. Sure, if someone gets dropped, then it might be difficult to narrate. But, unless that happens, you narrate 4e pretty much the exact same way as every other edition (mostly linear) with the occasional hiccup when someone interrupts something. This isn't going to happen every action, and, while it might happen every combat, it's again not going to happen every round. It's a lot like the difference between 1-2-1 and 1-1-1. 90% of the time, it makes zero difference to the game. None. You move and take actions in exactly the same way. It's just that there is this small subset of actions where it does make a difference. And, given how much emphasis mobility has in 4e, it makes sense to streamline the rules so that that 10% doesn't bog the game down. So, most of the time, healing surges work pretty much the same as healing always has. Does it really matter if the cleric is healing "damage" (whatever that is)? People talk about having a wounds/vitality system. Not a bad idea. Then again, if you swap out the word Hit Points for Vitality, suddenly there's no problem at all. You run out of vitality, you fall down. No one helps you and you die. If someone helps you, then you weren't dying in the first place, you were just knocked out or whatever for a short while. Again, totally fits with genre expectations and is fairly easy to play. But, the constant cries of "IT'S NOT REALLY D&D" just take away so much of your point BryonD. They take what is a really good criticism of 4e and make it so much edition warring crap. [/QUOTE]

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