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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 5718622" data-attributes="member: 762">The fact that WoTC did a horrible job marketing 4e, which led to hurt feelings all over the place, should not be relevant to this discussion - particullarly re: mechanics.But to somewhat answer, their chosen marketing tactic likely hurt more than it helped and quite likely turned off people who otherwise might have tried and liked 4e (I can think of 2 people I know personaly who refused to try 4e strictly because of this marketing - talk about backfire!) This means it should be looked on as what not to do, not as some weird "Well it's good enough for WoTC so.." example.</blockquote>