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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5728211" data-attributes="member: 6957">True, except for Con bonuses. It is a lot easier to get Con bonuses to HP in 3e.Not really disagreeing, over all, but it can make a difference.But they can also put out a lot more damage in the same number of rounds. By and large characters got more deadly. But then, so are some monsters.... And let us not forget 'Save or take a boatload of damage'. Fireball used to really be something to fear. And often the fireball that killed you was from your own magic-user forgetting how big fireballs were when he cast his first one... My first bit of kindness as a DM - allowing the magic-user to not cast that fireball once he realized that it filled that 30' x 30' X 10' room, then flushed back down several hundred feet of 10 X 10 corridor.... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> I have seen extremes go both ways - it was almost a given in one game that I ran that the party would face a young dragon, and get away singed but still well up in HP, but then would get slaughtered by four goblins with bows.... There used to be jokes that the BBEG would prepare for battle by tying banana peels to his feet, but his henchmen might as well have RPGs.... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />For some reason that problem never cropped up in 3.X, but I blame luck of the dice more than anything.Sometimes it is just luck of the dice.For what it is worth, Pathfinder does not treat a level 5 fighter as a CR5 encounter.... So at least some folks agree with you on that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />That said, I have never used point buy, and I am stingy with rerolling characters, so the numbers can go either way.The Auld Grump</blockquote>

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