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<blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 4287882" data-attributes="member: 10177"><p>I think, and hope, its more "Why should I switch to 4E and figure out how to make and play my favorite character concepts when I am already ahppily doing ti with the system I already own?"</p><p></p><p>I mean why does anyone really need to switch to 4e? There is no "need". Either the 4E rules set works for you best, or it doesn't. Another thing is 3E has been the "best game ever" for over 6 years. Well, if so many people love 3E and how it works, why would they want to switch to 4e? </p><p></p><p>Supposedly 3E was an improvement over 2E (in a lot of ways it is), but is 4E as big an improvement over 3E? It doesn't look like it. The only thing it significantly improved is how approachable 4E will be to totally new players who have no experienced DM to guide them.</p><p></p><p>I don't see 4E monster or NPC design as an improvement, I see it as what I was doing for the last 3 years I played 3E out of necessity. To make DMing easy enough to be worth it to me to run games. Its easy to only worry about what is important and forget all the meticulous extra. I didn't need 4E for that, and neither do any other 3E DM's, they know how to do it in 3E already.</p><p></p><p>Plus 3E DM's have already "fixed" their issues with magic, spells, etc....</p><p></p><p>So what I think is the real issue people are having with 4E is they are realizing there is no need to go to 4E. It isn't necessarily better than 3E. It is just a different rules set that provides a different game experience. Is it better? Only if you like the feel of that new game experience better than what you get out of 3E.</p><p></p><p>So I think the real problem for 4E is that it isn't a significantly better game than 3E, so fewer people are being convinced to give up 3E for 4E.</p><p></p><p>Besides, there is so much more to be explored with 3E and its derivatives. True 20 is a pretty cool approach, and has a lot of strength because of it. Then there is Mutants and Masterminds. There are tons more. There is TONS of stuff people haven't taken the time to check out in 3E yet, and its worth checking out.</p><p></p><p>So why move on to 4E? Only if you find the game play significantly more enjoyable than what you have with what your doing right now. </p><p></p><p>That level of improvement is not there for me, so I am staying with what I am happy with. I can only assume others are realizing this for themselves as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Treebore, post: 4287882, member: 10177"] I think, and hope, its more "Why should I switch to 4E and figure out how to make and play my favorite character concepts when I am already ahppily doing ti with the system I already own?" I mean why does anyone really need to switch to 4e? There is no "need". Either the 4E rules set works for you best, or it doesn't. Another thing is 3E has been the "best game ever" for over 6 years. Well, if so many people love 3E and how it works, why would they want to switch to 4e? Supposedly 3E was an improvement over 2E (in a lot of ways it is), but is 4E as big an improvement over 3E? It doesn't look like it. The only thing it significantly improved is how approachable 4E will be to totally new players who have no experienced DM to guide them. I don't see 4E monster or NPC design as an improvement, I see it as what I was doing for the last 3 years I played 3E out of necessity. To make DMing easy enough to be worth it to me to run games. Its easy to only worry about what is important and forget all the meticulous extra. I didn't need 4E for that, and neither do any other 3E DM's, they know how to do it in 3E already. Plus 3E DM's have already "fixed" their issues with magic, spells, etc.... So what I think is the real issue people are having with 4E is they are realizing there is no need to go to 4E. It isn't necessarily better than 3E. It is just a different rules set that provides a different game experience. Is it better? Only if you like the feel of that new game experience better than what you get out of 3E. So I think the real problem for 4E is that it isn't a significantly better game than 3E, so fewer people are being convinced to give up 3E for 4E. Besides, there is so much more to be explored with 3E and its derivatives. True 20 is a pretty cool approach, and has a lot of strength because of it. Then there is Mutants and Masterminds. There are tons more. There is TONS of stuff people haven't taken the time to check out in 3E yet, and its worth checking out. So why move on to 4E? Only if you find the game play significantly more enjoyable than what you have with what your doing right now. That level of improvement is not there for me, so I am staying with what I am happy with. I can only assume others are realizing this for themselves as well. [/QUOTE]
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