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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ginnel" data-source="post: 4289382" data-attributes="member: 66058">Here we go a 4E human rogueStr 12 Con 13 Dex 8 Int 17 Wis 17 Cha 14Lets take his sneak attack off and give him an extra two feats one a language feat the other hmm knowledge history with DM fiatlets also take the +1 to attacks made with daggers off and add in +1 to knowledge skill checks also with DM fiatSkills:Athletics 4knowledge History 9 (trained by swapping sneak attack)Streetwise 7knowledge Arcana 9 (1st feat)Knowledge Religion 9 (human feat)Thievery 4Some other skill herecomes out with a nice lot of languages too, any attacks would be around a 1-2 bonus to hit.any of his rogue attacks could be bumbling attacks and the shifts stumbling back, he can go on to take ritual casting at 2nd if requiredand you come out with a largely not useful combat character like your 3rd edition one with loads of sage like knowledges.Bing done</blockquote>