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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Old Gumphrey" data-source="post: 4308328" data-attributes="member: 12872">I'd completely disagree. What is it about the fighter/barbarian specifically that makes it suck "over the course of a campaign?" It's certainly not skill points, because one of your posited characters was a chain shirt & rapier fighter who would not only suck in combat, but also have among the lowest number and least varied skills in the entire game.  I will say this, though: you can be a good roleplayer and have massive fun over the course of a campaign with any character, not just the ones who suck at combat, or who suck at everything.You claimed that a character could be a noncombat specialist, but without house rules you can't be any less focused on combat in 3e than in 4e. My point was that a so-called "noncombat" rogue would still have the BAB of a level 8 fighter, and tons of combat-only special abilities.My position is that a chain-shirt & rapier fighter and a chain-shirt & rapier fighter2/rogueX can be played with the same character personality and it won't make a lick of difference (other than upgrading to a character with a lot more skill points and a lot more combat effectiveness). Just because you suck in combat doesn't make you a good roleplayer. Good characters are welcome at my table, too, whether they suck in combat or not.EDIT: Oh yeah, and I don't really appreciate your accusing me of ignoring a post just because I completely disagree with it. I understand your point, I just believe it to be invalid. If you're seriously arguing that 1e and 4e have similar flexibility I think you need to re-read your 1e books. I'll wait.Man, I personally couldn't care less which edition you want to play, but if you really want my opinion, I think you should play 4e because it's a damn fun game system that lends itself to creative DMing, exciting & cinematic combats, and the ability to tell a memorable adventure story.</blockquote>

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