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<blockquote data-quote="Halivar" data-source="post: 5724871" data-attributes="member: 9327">I think connecting Randian Objectivism to this situation is a little bit of a stretch.The fact is, when a group agrees to a DM's game, they are assenting to the DM having control over the game and how it is run. That being said... I think it is appropriate for the group to bring up these issues before the game starts. It benefits neither the DM nor the players to jump into a game that is going to leave one side miserable.There are a number of DM's in my area that run gritty games where campaigns end in the first TPK as such. I don't play in those games. And on the occasion where one of our DM's changed his playstyle into something we didn't like, we sat out his games. Unfortunately, with a dearth of players in our area, that meant he had no game.Players need DM's. DM's need players. And they need to expect the same thing from the game. IMHO, the OP is describing a situation gone right; the players and DM's agreed that they don't want the same game. Better to get it out at the start than at the bitter end of a campaign.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Halivar, post: 5724871, member: 9327"] I think connecting Randian Objectivism to this situation is a little bit of a stretch. The fact is, when a group agrees to a DM's game, they are assenting to the DM having control over the game and how it is run. [I]That being said[/I]... I think it is appropriate for the group to bring up these issues [I]before[/I] the game starts. It benefits neither the DM nor the players to jump into a game that is going to leave one side miserable. There are a number of DM's in my area that run gritty games where campaigns end in the first TPK as such. I don't play in those games. And on the occasion where one of our DM's changed his playstyle into something we didn't like, we sat out his games. Unfortunately, with a dearth of players in our area, that meant he had no game. Players need DM's. DM's need players. And they need to expect the same thing from the game. IMHO, the OP is describing a situation gone right; the players and DM's agreed that they don't want the same game. Better to get it out at the start than at the bitter end of a campaign. [/QUOTE]

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