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Message: <blockquote data-quote="OmegaMan950" data-source="post: 5918058" data-attributes="member: 49115">I like dragonborn, I'm ok with half-orcs (prefer the 4E origin backstory to previous editions having them be a product of orc raids), and I've had a player always begging to play a minotaur since the 2E humanoids book came out. Didn't matter what campaign or style of play, always came with a minotaur statted up and ready to roll. Monsters as PCs has always been a thing but it's only now we are seeing them being really balanced against other race options, and this is a step in the right direction. If that means monster PCs being in the PHB then I'm all for it.4E monsters as PCs were only bad to begin with, the options in the back of the MM1 were to give those players who wanted gnomes as PC the option to do so without having to wait for the PHB2. The options were aimed at statting up NPCS, but were acceptable enough for players. Problems like large weapons and overpowered racial powers were quickly altered (Should have been looked at off the bat, I hate errata and updates but it's necessary)Savage Species was poor, the whole LA and ECL thing was kludgy and terrible, and monster characters were disproportionately powered compared to LA +0 PCs of the same level. The 2E Humanoid handbook was a mixed bag - I was in favour of class restrictions then, not now so it's all in retrospect - but most monsters were limited to fighters, thieves, and some cleric/shaman options. Not many could make it into the double digit levels unless they were a fighter or had awesome stats in their prime ability which was almost always boosted by the racial bonuses. Some people were ok with this, my group ignored racial level restrictionsThis is why I'd prefer to see monster PCs in the PHB, because only then will they get the benefit of balance and fair play in respect to other "normal" races instead of just being tacked on at a later date. Players who want monster PCs have always been with us, and they aren't going away anytime soon</blockquote>

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