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<blockquote data-quote="Rechan" data-source="post: 4398238" data-attributes="member: 54846">I agree with Ginnel. It is only punishment when you continually club your players over the head saying &quot;Don't you wish you'd picked a different class? Hahaha.&quot; A fight that is against 6 soldiers and brutes would be punishment. But, a fight with four or eight minions would force the party to change tactics. Because they are strikers, the party can easily do &quot;Hit and Run&quot; type encounters.Furthermore, with two leaders, the party has a little more staying power. An encounter that is a controller and a soldier with several waves of minions showing up would be an interesting challenge. To use 3e terms, if you have a party with rogues, clerics, and wizards, a golem is a tough enemy. However, if you give them a little for-warning, or engineer the encounter area, the fight rewards creative thinking and spell usage where raw numbers don't work. Relying on summoning creatures to create a &quot;wall&quot; while you exploit the golem's weakness, or using force walls to block it while you move around it, etc. Designing an encounter that hammers a party on their weakened role is mean. Designing an encounter where the party has to adapt around a missing role is engaging and interesting.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rechan, post: 4398238, member: 54846"] I agree with Ginnel. It is only punishment when you continually club your players over the head saying "Don't you wish you'd picked a different class? Hahaha." A fight that is against 6 soldiers and brutes would be punishment. But, a fight with four or eight minions would force the party to change tactics. Because they are strikers, the party can easily do "Hit and Run" type encounters. Furthermore, with [b]two[/b] leaders, the party has a little more staying power. An encounter that is a controller and a soldier with several waves of minions showing up would be an interesting challenge. To use 3e terms, if you have a party with rogues, clerics, and wizards, a golem is a [i]tough[/i] enemy. However, if you give them a little for-warning, or engineer the encounter area, the fight [i]rewards[/i] creative thinking and spell usage where raw numbers don't work. Relying on summoning creatures to create a "wall" while you exploit the golem's weakness, or using force walls to block it while you move around it, etc. Designing an encounter that hammers a party on their weakened role is mean. Designing an encounter where the party has to adapt around a missing role is engaging and interesting. [/QUOTE]

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