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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Goumindong" data-source="post: 4399105" data-attributes="member: 70874">I really dislike when people say that they don't optimize. Because not doing so is beyond retarded. Its retarded from a player point of view, and its retarded from a character point of view. Think of this from a characters perspective. They are a "hero", but they suck at it... and they know it... and they still try and be a hero...At the heart of it, when someone is not optimizing they are saying that the character they are playing is a complete retard. "Hay guys, my high int fighter is totally awesome!" No, he is not, the high int fighter should be smart enough to realize that he is an idiot for being a fighter if he is not strong enough to make it stick. Since 8 is the lowest int we have available to us, and 8 is slightly below average and even people of intelligence slightly below average will have realized that lots of charisma does not help them hit a monster in the face with an axe(or a monster is trying to hit them in the face with an axe) there are no rational combinations where a hero can pursue a career that does not mesh with his abilities.That is not to say that there are not acceptable levels, since some concepts simply are not as strong as others. For instance if you want to play an elvish warlord, go right ahead, you will be 5% behind the other races warlords but at the end of the day that 5% is not going to kill you.But it is to say that every character from both a logically consistent player point of view and character point of view should be optimized. If you don't you're a terrible player and a terrible roleplayer.I'd recommend that you check out ENworld's rules.  You should have plenty of time to do so when you're not posting in this thread.  - Xath</blockquote>

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