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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raith5" data-source="post: 6005194" data-attributes="member: 56051">While I see what you mean I think 4th ed game ideas are lurking beneath some of the game elements already present. Personally I think some of these elements like hit dice (healing surges), expertise dice (combat powers) are still works in progress - but keep in mind that here we comparing an early beta in DDN versus a mature game in 4th.There will also various elements that are clearly going to being extra modules that will come at some point. Things like second wind, action points, utility power/abilities and skill challenges could easily be overlaid on the current DDN rules. Personally, after using these elements in 4th they are things that I cannot do without.</blockquote>