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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6005227" data-attributes="member: 7635">At the risk of sounding edition warring, there was little of 4e worth saving.The power system was a bust: Essentials showed that it was on the way out. Healing surges were reviled, the math system didn't work as advertised, and the major changes in classes, races, magic, and fluff alienated large swaths of former fans. You can argue with me 4e is a good system, and I'll argee it works for you, but the Pathfinder sales, the word of mouth and internet commentary, and apparently WotC's own internal numbers (which obviously wasn't rosy as we're discussing Next a scant three years after 4e) shows 4e didn't work, and when something doesn't work, why keep going? They went back to the last edition that was successful (3.5) and started again. They took some nods for 4e, as well a few from earlier editions, and began anew. Good for them. It takes balls to admit your last edition was failure and didn't do what you wanted it to, and that you're basically going backwards to loop around and go forwards. I also assumed 4e was going to be a cleaned up and revised Essentials. I'm pleasantly surprised its not and that is D&amp;D I'm willing to play.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 6005227, member: 7635"] At the risk of sounding edition warring, there was little of 4e worth saving. The power system was a bust: Essentials showed that it was on the way out. Healing surges were reviled, the math system didn't work as advertised, and the major changes in classes, races, magic, and fluff alienated large swaths of former fans. You can argue with me 4e is a good system, and I'll argee it works for you, but the Pathfinder sales, the word of mouth and internet commentary, and apparently WotC's own internal numbers (which obviously wasn't rosy as we're discussing Next a scant three years after 4e) shows 4e didn't work, and when something doesn't work, why keep going? They went back to the last edition that was successful (3.5) and started again. They took some nods for 4e, as well a few from earlier editions, and began anew. Good for them. It takes balls to admit your last edition was failure and didn't do what you wanted it to, and that you're basically going backwards to loop around and go forwards. I also assumed 4e was going to be a cleaned up and revised Essentials. I'm pleasantly surprised its not and that is D&D I'm willing to play. [/QUOTE]

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