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I don't want 5E, I want a definitive D&D (the Monopoly model)
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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5690881" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>There are fans of both football and baseball who are equally happy playing either. That doesn't make them the same. </p><p></p><p>In my personal opinion, GURPS and 3E are CLOSER to each other than 4E is to either.</p><p></p><p>Um, no.</p><p></p><p>Every edition of trivial pursuit works by moving around the board to land on spaces to answer questions in order to collect pie wedges.</p><p>Yes, the FLAVOR of the game changes, but the game itself is identical.</p><p></p><p>Going from 3E to Arcana Unearthed would be equivalent to using a different theme of questions. </p><p></p><p>And they all have distinctly different names. I'm not familiar with Clue:Master Detective. But I note it is not called "Clue 2nd Edition". It isn't a new edition, it is a different game in the same thematic family. </p><p></p><p>There is no confusion over Dungeons and Dragons Wrath of Ashardalon being confused with or expected to be "Dungeons and Dragons" despite those words being right there in the name. </p><p></p><p>None of the examples are presented as replacements or new version of the original game.</p><p></p><p>No, it really isn't even close to the tip of anything.</p><p></p><p>I could make a 3X character using splat books from late in the edition and the differences would be just as big as the differences between 1990s MTG and modern MTG. Maybe slightly less just because of the amount of time involved. But in both cases you are talking about a core game system that was designed with evolving modular details anticipated from day 1. But that core game system persists. MTG is still recognizable as MTG and no player will ever confuse it for Pokeman. And if WotC announced that Rather than expansion X they were going to Edition 2, and using a new core system, that would be the same thing.</p><p></p><p>That comes so far from actually describing the differences in the games it isn't even close to reasonable. </p><p></p><p>Both football and baseball are the same because they involve a team of guys using a ball on a grassy field to try to score more points. WRONG</p><p></p><p>I'm not talking about "able to play". </p><p></p><p>The experience is VASTLY different and 3E vs. 4E is (A) WAY covered elsewhere and (B) way outside of the topic of this thread. But if you are still stuck in the no difference mindset you would be better off revisiting those threads first.</p><p></p><p>If there really was no meaningful difference, this thread would not exist in the first place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5690881, member: 957"] There are fans of both football and baseball who are equally happy playing either. That doesn't make them the same. In my personal opinion, GURPS and 3E are CLOSER to each other than 4E is to either. Um, no. Every edition of trivial pursuit works by moving around the board to land on spaces to answer questions in order to collect pie wedges. Yes, the FLAVOR of the game changes, but the game itself is identical. Going from 3E to Arcana Unearthed would be equivalent to using a different theme of questions. And they all have distinctly different names. I'm not familiar with Clue:Master Detective. But I note it is not called "Clue 2nd Edition". It isn't a new edition, it is a different game in the same thematic family. There is no confusion over Dungeons and Dragons Wrath of Ashardalon being confused with or expected to be "Dungeons and Dragons" despite those words being right there in the name. None of the examples are presented as replacements or new version of the original game. No, it really isn't even close to the tip of anything. I could make a 3X character using splat books from late in the edition and the differences would be just as big as the differences between 1990s MTG and modern MTG. Maybe slightly less just because of the amount of time involved. But in both cases you are talking about a core game system that was designed with evolving modular details anticipated from day 1. But that core game system persists. MTG is still recognizable as MTG and no player will ever confuse it for Pokeman. And if WotC announced that Rather than expansion X they were going to Edition 2, and using a new core system, that would be the same thing. That comes so far from actually describing the differences in the games it isn't even close to reasonable. Both football and baseball are the same because they involve a team of guys using a ball on a grassy field to try to score more points. WRONG I'm not talking about "able to play". The experience is VASTLY different and 3E vs. 4E is (A) WAY covered elsewhere and (B) way outside of the topic of this thread. But if you are still stuck in the no difference mindset you would be better off revisiting those threads first. If there really was no meaningful difference, this thread would not exist in the first place. [/QUOTE]
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