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<blockquote data-quote="Stormonu" data-source="post: 9644746" data-attributes="member: 52734">That so little changed from the half-baked bastion rules to what we got in the DMG, I think WotC was gaslighting the public rather than the other way around.&nbsp; I don’t think there was any honesty in listening to the fans this time around, and at best the squeaky wheels were listened to instead of the actual user base. I think the designers long had I mind what changes they were going to actually make, and short of a revolt by the player base, were going to put in what changes they wanted, regardless of the survey results.If anything, after playtesting and reviewing the results of those play tests, they should have put the changes into an options book (akin to the 2E player’s option series) rather than what they ended up with.&nbsp; Instead of doing an evergreen revision, they ended up with a half-step edition change.Also, did they even do any surveys on the monster changes at all? I don’t remember there being any.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stormonu, post: 9644746, member: 52734"] That so little changed from the half-baked bastion rules to what we got in the DMG, I think WotC was gaslighting the public rather than the other way around. I don’t think there was any honesty in listening to the fans this time around, and at best the squeaky wheels were listened to instead of the actual user base. I think the designers long had I mind what changes they were going to actually make, and short of a revolt by the player base, were going to put in what changes they wanted, regardless of the survey results. If anything, after playtesting and reviewing the results of those play tests, they should have put the changes into an options book (akin to the 2E player’s option series) rather than what they ended up with. Instead of doing an evergreen revision, they ended up with a half-step edition change. Also, did they even do any surveys on the monster changes at all? I don’t remember there being any. [/QUOTE]

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