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I for one hope we don't get "clarification" on many things.
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<blockquote data-quote="occam" data-source="post: 6373436" data-attributes="member: 39815"><p>Can you see me if I'm on the other side of an opaque wall? No, so I can hide behind a wall, or a wide column, or a large statue, etc. Does the rule really need to explain that?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's clearly an exception. See p. 4 of the Basic Rules, "Specific Beats General":</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"You can't hide from a creature that can see you." Does the obstacle block a creature from being able to see you? Then you can try to hide from it. It's a rule stated in plain English, interpreted by a DM.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure why the problem of interpreting the rule exists. It seems perfectly clear to some people, and greatly unclear to others.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure they do: "...under certain circumstances, the Dungeon Master might allow you to stay hidden...". That wording clearly puts this into the realm of a particular DM's allowance at a particular table of players, depending on circumstances. It's meant to support an exception to the "can't hide from a creature that can see you" rule when the players ask if they can distract the guard by creating a ruckus in the street, allowing the rogue to sneak in where she would otherwise be seen. Whether the distraction is distracting enough, or the guard distractible enough, or there exists an avenue of approach for the rogue to use unseen, ... these are decisions made at the table depending on the circumstances. The mention of distraction in the hiding rules just opens up the possibility.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't get this last comment. Can you explain?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="occam, post: 6373436, member: 39815"] Can you see me if I'm on the other side of an opaque wall? No, so I can hide behind a wall, or a wide column, or a large statue, etc. Does the rule really need to explain that? It's clearly an exception. See p. 4 of the Basic Rules, "Specific Beats General": "You can't hide from a creature that can see you." Does the obstacle block a creature from being able to see you? Then you can try to hide from it. It's a rule stated in plain English, interpreted by a DM. I'm not sure why the problem of interpreting the rule exists. It seems perfectly clear to some people, and greatly unclear to others. Sure they do: "...under certain circumstances, the Dungeon Master might allow you to stay hidden...". That wording clearly puts this into the realm of a particular DM's allowance at a particular table of players, depending on circumstances. It's meant to support an exception to the "can't hide from a creature that can see you" rule when the players ask if they can distract the guard by creating a ruckus in the street, allowing the rogue to sneak in where she would otherwise be seen. Whether the distraction is distracting enough, or the guard distractible enough, or there exists an avenue of approach for the rogue to use unseen, ... these are decisions made at the table depending on the circumstances. The mention of distraction in the hiding rules just opens up the possibility. I don't get this last comment. Can you explain? [/QUOTE]
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