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Message: <blockquote data-quote="occam" data-source="post: 6373543" data-attributes="member: 39815">You can't hide (i.e. become hidden) from someone that can see you, but you can stay hidden "ntil you are discovered or you stop hiding". If you're already hidden, it takes a Perception check to find you unless you do something to "give away your position".I can't help but feel that you're making this way more complicated and confusing than it is. A plain English reading (at least, plain to me) seems to result in very clear rules.It's not a contradiction, it's an exception. OK, maybe that's a semantic distinction, but what I mean is that the "contradiction" is intentional, as are the "contradictions" (exceptions) contained in the wood elf's Mask of the Wild or the lightfoot halfling's Naturally Stealthy.It's like saying that killing someone is against the law. Except that if someone is trying to kill you, you may be justified in responding with violent action that results in the attacker's death. There are exceptions all over the place in law, just as there are in D&D rules or any other complex set of rules.I think you're misreading the rules in interpreting "hide" as both active/passive. The word "hide" is used to refer to the act of becoming hidden; it's an active thing that you do (as is "stop hiding", apparently). Once you're hidden, you don't have to "hide" anymore. (Looking at the rest of thread: What Ratskinner said.) This may clear up a lot of things.And to note, this doesn't mean that a wood elf can hide in foliage or heavy rain while someone is watching him. He has to be unseen before he can hide behind leaves, just like anyone else; it's just that he can hide in a light mist while anyone would need a dense fog.I think it's really a lot easier than you're making it out to be.</blockquote>

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