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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6374917" data-attributes="member: 48965">Nope, didn't say anything about lying, but biases (especially those that are negative towards a certain edition) could definitely influence one to present rules explanations in a more negative light than those of someone with no biases or even a positive view of the new edition.  Do you disagree?Wait so a person being hidden and stepping into the view of someone else (thus making them capable of seeing them) but that not being an auto-end of their ability to be hidden ... is not relevant to a discussion about whether one can stay hidden while being able to be seen... What??? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />I'm not even sure what to say at this point...Why not?  If a bunch of your Party members attack him at that moment he very well could be.  Now if your answer is to create a situation where having one's cover taken away automatically reveals you, I never said it couldn't be an outcome of being able to be seen... only that it's not the only outcome and thus not a blanket rule and I've already given quotes from the rules that back up my position...   What was the lighting?  If it's dim you would still need to make a perception check with disadvantage to see someone who is hidden...  Is he wearing camouflage, a DM might rule that's enough for him to stay hidden... What you've done is stated one particular aspect of the situation (unless we're talking about a small brightly lit room with a single wall between the NPC and PC with all participants wearing bright colors)... not all the factors that go into whether he can or can't stay hidden... I thought you said the reference to distraction was irrelevant?  Again what about lighting?  Efforts taken to blend into the surroundings beforehand and so on... there are numerous reasons the rules or a DM could rule that you stay hidden... thus it is not a blanket rule...Nope, but point me to the posts and I might tell you if I think their biases are perhaps influencing how they are "interpreting" the rules in the book (also total cover does not grant the ability to hide, you realize you could have total cover behind something that is totally transparent, right?)... of course from reading the above it seems that you have now switched gears and went back to talking about the conditions necessary to take the hide action (and you don't mention anything about staying hidden), so which one are we talking about?</blockquote>

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