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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7133741" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>Let's compare your character to a wizard. I personally could care less about late level features so I'm not going to look at anything past level 13 or 14.</p><p></p><p>Level 1:</p><p>Wizard has maybe 14 ac and 8 hp. Wizard gets more cantrips. Wizard gets arcane recovery. </p><p>You get 17 ac and 10 hp. You get just as many spells known. Just as many spell slots.</p><p></p><p>So far I'd say your hybrid wizard is ahead but it's not totally clear cut.</p><p></p><p>Level 2.</p><p>You can gain an extra AC and go to 18 ac and you get a healing ability that probably out performs arcane ward. Nothing else really changes between the 2.</p><p></p><p>It's looking like you are the better wizard so far.</p><p></p><p>Level 3.</p><p>Nothing changes</p><p></p><p>Level 4:</p><p>Nothing changes</p><p></p><p>Level 5:</p><p>Nothing changes</p><p></p><p>Level 6:</p><p>you basically give the level 2 wizard subclass feature here. So far I'm convinced you have just made a stronger wizard and I'm just looking at him from the point of view of a not even using his weapon features.</p><p></p><p>Level 7. no difference</p><p></p><p>Level 8. You gain the war magic feature and the wizard gains nothing</p><p></p><p>Level 9. no difference</p><p></p><p>Level 10. fairly comparable to the wizard subclass features.</p><p></p><p>....</p><p></p><p>Anyways it's pretty comparable from here on. Basically you get 2nd wind and he gets arcane recovery. You get a lot more AC and a lot more HP than the wizard. I'd rate your wizard as a better wizard than the actual wizard. He's not much better though but he's definitely better.</p><p></p><p>There's also the alternative approach of making your class into a fighter that uses buff spells and occasionly a big fireball. I think you'll find that kind of character may actually be better than a regular fighter as well. Many uses of the shield spell. Buff spells galore like expeditious retreat and haste. AOE spells like fireball gotten on time. Yea, your class is only a slightly better wizard than a wizard but I think it's a much better fighter than a fighter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7133741, member: 6795602"] Let's compare your character to a wizard. I personally could care less about late level features so I'm not going to look at anything past level 13 or 14. Level 1: Wizard has maybe 14 ac and 8 hp. Wizard gets more cantrips. Wizard gets arcane recovery. You get 17 ac and 10 hp. You get just as many spells known. Just as many spell slots. So far I'd say your hybrid wizard is ahead but it's not totally clear cut. Level 2. You can gain an extra AC and go to 18 ac and you get a healing ability that probably out performs arcane ward. Nothing else really changes between the 2. It's looking like you are the better wizard so far. Level 3. Nothing changes Level 4: Nothing changes Level 5: Nothing changes Level 6: you basically give the level 2 wizard subclass feature here. So far I'm convinced you have just made a stronger wizard and I'm just looking at him from the point of view of a not even using his weapon features. Level 7. no difference Level 8. You gain the war magic feature and the wizard gains nothing Level 9. no difference Level 10. fairly comparable to the wizard subclass features. .... Anyways it's pretty comparable from here on. Basically you get 2nd wind and he gets arcane recovery. You get a lot more AC and a lot more HP than the wizard. I'd rate your wizard as a better wizard than the actual wizard. He's not much better though but he's definitely better. There's also the alternative approach of making your class into a fighter that uses buff spells and occasionly a big fireball. I think you'll find that kind of character may actually be better than a regular fighter as well. Many uses of the shield spell. Buff spells galore like expeditious retreat and haste. AOE spells like fireball gotten on time. Yea, your class is only a slightly better wizard than a wizard but I think it's a much better fighter than a fighter. [/QUOTE]
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