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<blockquote data-quote="Simplicity" data-source="post: 677752" data-attributes="member: 1496">There's little to nothing specific to gnolls; however, much of the book details how to figure out turning ANY monster into either a &quot;monster class&quot; or figuring out the ECL for the creature.&nbsp; I think a gnoll would be particularly easy to do based on some of the other examples in the book.In fact, I could probably do a Gnoll class off the top of my head(I don't have the book with me now, but this is what I think it might look like following the book guidelines:Gnolls have +1 natural armor, a positive stat adjustment (Str +4, Con +2, Int -2, Cha -2), and 2 hit dice.&nbsp; Their level adjustment is either 1 or 2...&nbsp; I'm guessing 1. ECL = level adjustment + HD.So, compare a 1st level fighter gnoll to a third level fighter and a fourth level fighter.[CODE]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Gnoll Ftr1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Ftr3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Ftr4Attacks&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +4Dmg&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0Fort&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +4Ref&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +1Will&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +1HP avg&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 17.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 16.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 22[/CODE] Note that a fourth level fighter also has 2 bonus feats at fourth level.Looks to me that the Ftr4 is the better match.&nbsp; Thus, the ECL for the gnoll is going to be ECL +3. (2 for HD and 1 for bonuses)[CODE] Gnoll&nbsp; &quot;Monster Class&quot;-------Level&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; HD&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BAB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort&nbsp;&nbsp; Ref&nbsp;&nbsp; Will&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Special Abilities1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1d8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +2 Str, &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -2 Int, &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -2 Cha; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Darkvision 60'2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2d8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +2 Con, &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1 natural AC3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2d8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +2 Str [/CODE] How's that?(Looking back, I should have done the comparison between Ftr4 and Ftr5... Oh well... I still think Ftr4 is a good match... I wonder if the table in the back of the book agrees with me...).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Simplicity, post: 677752, member: 1496"] There's little to nothing specific to gnolls; however, much of the book details how to figure out turning ANY monster into either a "monster class" or figuring out the ECL for the creature. I think a gnoll would be particularly easy to do based on some of the other examples in the book. In fact, I could probably do a Gnoll class off the top of my head (I don't have the book with me now, but this is what I think it might look like following the book guidelines: Gnolls have +1 natural armor, a positive stat adjustment (Str +4, Con +2, Int -2, Cha -2), and 2 hit dice. Their level adjustment is either 1 or 2... I'm guessing 1. ECL = level adjustment + HD. So, compare a 1st level fighter gnoll to a third level fighter and a fourth level fighter. [COLOR=red] [CODE] Gnoll Ftr1 Ftr3 Ftr4 Attacks +4 +3 +4 Dmg +2 +0 +0 Fort +6 +3 +4 Ref +0 +1 +1 Will +0 +1 +1 HP avg 17.5 16.5 22 [/CODE] [/COLOR] Note that a fourth level fighter also has 2 bonus feats at fourth level. Looks to me that the Ftr4 is the better match. Thus, the ECL for the gnoll is going to be ECL +3. (2 for HD and 1 for bonuses) [COLOR=red] [CODE] Gnoll "Monster Class" ------- Level HD BAB Fort Ref Will Special Abilities 1 1d8 +0 +2 +0 +0 +2 Str, -2 Int, -2 Cha; Darkvision 60' 2 2d8 +1 +3 +0 +0 +2 Con, +1 natural AC 3 2d8 +1 +3 +0 +0 +2 Str [/CODE] [/COLOR] How's that? (Looking back, I should have done the comparison between Ftr4 and Ftr5... Oh well... I still think Ftr4 is a good match... I wonder if the table in the back of the book agrees with me...). [/QUOTE]

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