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<blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 1522081" data-attributes="member: 172">Yeah, yeah, I know. Don't feed the troll.Alignment is not a straight jacket. If you are using it that way, you are using it wrong. In 1e and 2e, where you got XP penalties, it might have been. In 3e, it's mostly descriptive, for the purposes of magic and similar effects.I know many more people who have never expressed the first objection to it, and use it just fine.And you have statistics on this, right?Based on my experience with my players and in other groups, this assertion does not wash. Most players seem to use it just fine.More? They have reduced aligment effects. e.g., know alignment is no longer a spell.But I got better... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />If all your LG characters act the same, I daresay the problem isn't alignment.No, I expect group contract and maturity to play to what the group wants in a gaming experience to regulate them. The sort of problem you are speaking of hasn't been a problem in any group I have participated in since junior high school.A competent DM has no problem with alignment at all, and is mature enough to decide whether or not it is necessary for the sort of campaign he wishes to create, and deals with it accordingly.Since 3e did a pretty extensive survey showing most players wanted it, I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Psion, post: 1522081, member: 172"] Yeah, yeah, I know. Don't feed the troll. Alignment is not a straight jacket. If you are using it that way, you are using it wrong. In 1e and 2e, where you got XP penalties, it might have been. In 3e, it's mostly descriptive, for the purposes of magic and similar effects. I know many more people who have never expressed the first objection to it, and use it just fine. And you have statistics on this, right? Based on my experience with my players and in other groups, this assertion does not wash. Most players seem to use it just fine. More? They have reduced aligment effects. e.g., know alignment is no longer a spell. But I got better... ;) If all your LG characters act the same, I daresay the problem isn't alignment. No, I expect group contract and maturity to play to what the group wants in a gaming experience to regulate them. The sort of problem you are speaking of hasn't been a problem in any group I have participated in since junior high school. A competent DM has no problem with alignment at all, and is mature enough to decide whether or not it is necessary for the sort of campaign he wishes to create, and deals with it accordingly. Since 3e did a pretty extensive survey showing most players wanted it, I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you. [/QUOTE]

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