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<blockquote data-quote="Iconik" data-source="post: 5351383" data-attributes="member: 92708"><p>I'm a fairly forgiving GM. I'm not afraid of saying "yes". Evidenced by the fact that the bard I'm going to be talking about double 20'd a Godling and outright slayed him derailing the story for that night. Things happen and good GMs can make stuff up on the fly when something like that happens. A couple adventures ago, skirting the Syrin Mountains on the desert continent of Chyrna, the party was walking through an immense sandstorm. The party was able to make out the forms of a few giant desert beetles a little ways in the distance. This was supposed to be a battle encounter but the bard (gamebreaking bard) was able to mimic the sound of the beetles natural predator (a dragon - which are rare in my world but not so much along this mountain range) and scare them off. He patted himself on the back and scared the beetles off. The party was a little upset that he screwed them all out of xp.</p><p> </p><p>He definitely thinks outside of the box and I reward that. </p><p> </p><p>BUT!</p><p> </p><p>Last night was ridiculous. They were fighting a purple worm that I had run through the Monster Builder to adjust level, stats and damage. It was set up to be a great fight. You'll know this if you are familiar with the purple worm. They are a lot of fun. </p><p> </p><p>The fight took 2 hours. The best part of the purple worm is their grab ability. They swoop in bite the target then clutch them in its powerful jaws. The target stays there until it can escape. The purple worm is a "huge" monster. While controlling the worm, the GM just hopes that he can get a target bleeding so he can use the "swallow" ability. Swallow does just what the ability name says. You swallow a bloodied target. The target is out of line of sight and effect. </p><p> </p><p>Now for the ridiculousness. I had swallowed a member of the party. The party member was down to 2 hp after taking the 20 total dmg. It comes to be the bards turn. I cannot remember the name of the power exactly but it was his daily. Something or other of the Fey Wild. The daily has an effect on it if it hits where you shift the target PC one square. You can see by now what happened. He hits with his daily and shifts the target that is inside the belly of the beast one square. I called BS. The wording wasn't precise. We all looked it up. No arguents ensued but a few of the PCs were on my side when I said that it's utterly ridiculous. I allowed it but begrudgingly. </p><p> </p><p>It seems to me that the bard class is full of crap like this. They have some fairly game breaking utility. I'm not there to KILL the party. But, sometimes the crap goes too far. Later in the fight I target the bard. I hit and do the dmg. The wording on the skill says "takes d10+4 damage PLUS target is grabbed. He said he was going invisible (more crap - no rolls...he just gets to go invis). He argues that on the DAMAGE he goes invisible. I say "Fine. You're invisible. You're invisible in the beasts jaws." He wasn't too happy. </p><p> </p><p>How would you guys of ruled on this?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Iconik, post: 5351383, member: 92708"] I'm a fairly forgiving GM. I'm not afraid of saying "yes". Evidenced by the fact that the bard I'm going to be talking about double 20'd a Godling and outright slayed him derailing the story for that night. Things happen and good GMs can make stuff up on the fly when something like that happens. A couple adventures ago, skirting the Syrin Mountains on the desert continent of Chyrna, the party was walking through an immense sandstorm. The party was able to make out the forms of a few giant desert beetles a little ways in the distance. This was supposed to be a battle encounter but the bard (gamebreaking bard) was able to mimic the sound of the beetles natural predator (a dragon - which are rare in my world but not so much along this mountain range) and scare them off. He patted himself on the back and scared the beetles off. The party was a little upset that he screwed them all out of xp. He definitely thinks outside of the box and I reward that. BUT! Last night was ridiculous. They were fighting a purple worm that I had run through the Monster Builder to adjust level, stats and damage. It was set up to be a great fight. You'll know this if you are familiar with the purple worm. They are a lot of fun. The fight took 2 hours. The best part of the purple worm is their grab ability. They swoop in bite the target then clutch them in its powerful jaws. The target stays there until it can escape. The purple worm is a "huge" monster. While controlling the worm, the GM just hopes that he can get a target bleeding so he can use the "swallow" ability. Swallow does just what the ability name says. You swallow a bloodied target. The target is out of line of sight and effect. Now for the ridiculousness. I had swallowed a member of the party. The party member was down to 2 hp after taking the 20 total dmg. It comes to be the bards turn. I cannot remember the name of the power exactly but it was his daily. Something or other of the Fey Wild. The daily has an effect on it if it hits where you shift the target PC one square. You can see by now what happened. He hits with his daily and shifts the target that is inside the belly of the beast one square. I called BS. The wording wasn't precise. We all looked it up. No arguents ensued but a few of the PCs were on my side when I said that it's utterly ridiculous. I allowed it but begrudgingly. It seems to me that the bard class is full of crap like this. They have some fairly game breaking utility. I'm not there to KILL the party. But, sometimes the crap goes too far. Later in the fight I target the bard. I hit and do the dmg. The wording on the skill says "takes d10+4 damage PLUS target is grabbed. He said he was going invisible (more crap - no rolls...he just gets to go invis). He argues that on the DAMAGE he goes invisible. I say "Fine. You're invisible. You're invisible in the beasts jaws." He wasn't too happy. How would you guys of ruled on this? [/QUOTE]
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