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<blockquote data-quote="ourchair" data-source="post: 5352898" data-attributes="member: 85362">I think that all depends on how they took it.If the GROUP is all like, &quot;We wanna fight!&quot;and the BARD is like, &quot;Ha! My powers allow us to avoid it.&quot;and the GROUP is&nbsp; all like, &quot;Poo!&quot;and the PARTY MEMBERS are like, &quot;Whew!&quot;then the GROUP is mature enough to be disappointed but not irritated, then there is no problem.And as far as I can tell, Iconik's group WASN'T having a problem, just a concern that the Bard's abilities and the player's creativity may cause future problems like these. And by problems I don't mean &quot;table-bickering ensues,&quot; but problems of the group getting to do what they want and the DM supplying it but derailing it through his sheer cleverness and creativity, even if that is not his intention.Sure, some people would argue that if the DM wants to give what the players want, then he should be able to punt that cleverness to the side and similarly argue that &quot;anything otherwise is letting the Bard's abilities ride roughshod over him.&quot;But that's an unfair argument because it implies that the DM is not applying a personal preference of sustaining plausibility and avoiding railroading habits by not handwaving the Bard's impact away.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ourchair, post: 5352898, member: 85362"] I think that all depends on how they took it. If the GROUP is all like, "We wanna fight!" and the BARD is like, "Ha! My powers allow us to avoid it." and the GROUP is all like, "Poo!" and the PARTY MEMBERS are like, "Whew!" then the GROUP is mature enough to be disappointed but not irritated, then there is no problem. And as far as I can tell, Iconik's group WASN'T having a problem, just a [I]concern[/I] that the Bard's abilities and the player's creativity may cause future problems like these. And by problems I don't mean "table-bickering ensues," but problems of the group getting to do what they want and the DM supplying it but derailing it through his sheer cleverness and creativity, even if that is not his intention. Sure, some people would argue that if the DM wants to give what the players want, then he should be able to punt that cleverness to the side and similarly argue that "anything otherwise is letting the Bard's abilities ride roughshod over him." But that's an unfair argument because it implies that the DM is not applying a [I]personal[/I] preference of sustaining plausibility and avoiding railroading habits by not handwaving the Bard's impact away. [/QUOTE]

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