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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 2494721" data-attributes="member: 8158">HOLY <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />ING <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />!!! I mean, really! Players that actually require a personal incentive to go out and risk their lives and limbs? There oughta be a law! What player doesn't understand that they should just do all that work for the promise of a big, fat nothing? Yep, that's a campaign-buster right there. Everyone knows a good D&D campaign requires the party to a bunch of do-gooding, altruistic cat's-paws.[/sarcasm]OK, I assume there's some bigger problem that you're not expressly spelling out here, because most players realize that adventuring is lucrative, and it shouldn't pose an experienced DM any major obstacle to dangle some prize in front of a self-interested player Certainly, it's unrealistic to expect every character to have some intangible ideal that they prize over everything else. Here's a thought: let actions define a player's alignment, rather than the other way around. A character's good if he actually stands up for what's right. A character's evil if he constantly acts in a selfish manner without regard for the well-being of others.Now, it's questionable whether or not that helps you out of your CN dilemna, because your problem to be less with the letters CN than the antehero attitude.</blockquote>

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