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<blockquote data-quote="HeavenShallBurn" data-source="post: 4333064" data-attributes="member: 39593">No a DM far more than a player, and I'll say up front that I think 4e is garbage and am not impartial by any means.&nbsp; I never had a bit of problem running 3e all the way into epic levels or the types of abilities removed from 4e.&nbsp; As a DM I liked the that I could use summoning, illusions, enchantment, necromancy, and shapeshifting for all sort of unique effects to throw at the PCs.&nbsp; Now those are gone in favor of bland mechanically near-identical pap.&nbsp; As a player I always ran wizards and focused on unusual sets of spells, never once a howitzer mage, and now that's impossible.&nbsp; They've removed all the interesting effects from the game.&nbsp; I let my players use COBoard builds at the table and it was a riot for all involved including me as a DM.&nbsp; So do not presume to hit me with a CODzilla argument, I've seen the worst out there and had no problem with it.Balance is over-rated.&nbsp; I would far rather have an interesting but not very well balanced game than a game balanced so well it sucked the life and ingenuity out of play in favor of versimilitude breaking mechanical equality and thoughtless gamism.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HeavenShallBurn, post: 4333064, member: 39593"] No a DM far more than a player, and I'll say up front that I think 4e is garbage and am not impartial by any means. I never had a bit of problem running 3e all the way into epic levels or the types of abilities removed from 4e. As a DM I liked the that I could use summoning, illusions, enchantment, necromancy, and shapeshifting for all sort of unique effects to throw at the PCs. Now those are gone in favor of bland mechanically near-identical pap. As a player I always ran wizards and focused on unusual sets of spells, never once a howitzer mage, and now that's impossible. They've removed all the interesting effects from the game. I let my players use COBoard builds at the table and it was a riot for all involved including me as a DM. So do not presume to hit me with a CODzilla argument, I've seen the worst out there and had no problem with it. Balance is over-rated. I would far rather have an interesting but not very well balanced game than a game balanced so well it sucked the life and ingenuity out of play in favor of versimilitude breaking mechanical equality and thoughtless gamism. [/QUOTE]

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