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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 4333559" data-attributes="member: 2020">(regards the posts above)&nbsp; Ah, the wizard.&nbsp; She is the weakest character in the game at low levels, and the strongest character in the game at high levels (in OD&amp;D, 1E, 2E, and 3.0E)&nbsp; The wizard was never meant to be balanced.&nbsp; Gary Gygax was explicit on that.&nbsp; Not balanced.&nbsp; Instead, that immense high level power was the payoff for surviving those low levels.&nbsp; (A kind of balance all in it's own ...)&nbsp; (cold look)&nbsp; The player of the fighter and others have no right to complain.&nbsp; The fighter was a strong character at low levels.&nbsp; He could do all sorts of things, survive all sorts of things, when the wizard could not.&nbsp; The fighter eschewed the immense power that a wizard obtains at high level IN RETURN for great power at the lower levels.&nbsp; He made that decision, and he has to LIVE with that decision.&nbsp; He wasn't willing to take the immense risk of being a low level wizard (with it's high mortality rate) and so he doesn't get the payoff.&nbsp; If he wishes to complain about this, he had better complain to someone other than me.&nbsp; -&nbsp; So, someone played an elven fighter/wizard in the game, got all the benefits of low level AND got the benefits of the immense power of a high level wizard?&nbsp; Didn't Gary Gygax put something called *level limits* on elves for just this occasion?&nbsp; Level 7 for fighter, and Level 9 for wizard.&nbsp; Oh, the Level Limit got raised?&nbsp; And then eliminated?&nbsp; Because it was funner?&nbsp; And now you have a problem with the powerful fighter/archmage?&nbsp; Sadder but wiser.&nbsp; If an elf can have everything, then ... he has everything.&nbsp; Who was it, who allowed him to have it all for free?&nbsp; (Hint:&nbsp; It wasn't the player.)&nbsp; But what about 3E?&nbsp;&nbsp; Everyone can multiclass.&nbsp; Multiclassing in 3E isn't like multiclassing in 1E and 2E.&nbsp; You are levels 5/5, but are considered 10th level for the purpose of gaining experience and what challenges to face.&nbsp; In 1E and 2E, you'd be considered 6th level.&nbsp; Big difference.&nbsp; Gestalt?&nbsp; That's for special situations only.&nbsp; And if one character can be gestalt, all the characters can be gestalt.&nbsp; (And, all the monsters can be gestalt too.&nbsp; Funtime ...)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 4333559, member: 2020"] (regards the posts above) Ah, the wizard. She is the weakest character in the game at low levels, and the strongest character in the game at high levels (in OD&D, 1E, 2E, and 3.0E) The wizard was never meant to be balanced. Gary Gygax was explicit on that. Not balanced. Instead, that immense high level power was the payoff for surviving those low levels. (A kind of balance all in it's own ...) (cold look) The player of the fighter and others have no right to complain. The fighter was a strong character at low levels. He could do all sorts of things, survive all sorts of things, when the wizard could not. The fighter eschewed the immense power that a wizard obtains at high level IN RETURN for great power at the lower levels. He made that decision, and he has to LIVE with that decision. He wasn't willing to take the immense risk of being a low level wizard (with it's high mortality rate) and so he doesn't get the payoff. If he wishes to complain about this, he had better complain to someone other than me. - So, someone played an elven fighter/wizard in the game, got all the benefits of low level AND got the benefits of the immense power of a high level wizard? Didn't Gary Gygax put something called *level limits* on elves for just this occasion? Level 7 for fighter, and Level 9 for wizard. Oh, the Level Limit got raised? And then eliminated? Because it was funner? And now you have a problem with the powerful fighter/archmage? Sadder but wiser. If an elf can have everything, then ... he has everything. Who was it, who allowed him to have it all for free? (Hint: It wasn't the player.) But what about 3E? Everyone can multiclass. Multiclassing in 3E isn't like multiclassing in 1E and 2E. You are levels 5/5, but are considered 10th level for the purpose of gaining experience and what challenges to face. In 1E and 2E, you'd be considered 6th level. Big difference. Gestalt? That's for special situations only. And if one character can be gestalt, all the characters can be gestalt. (And, all the monsters can be gestalt too. Funtime ...) [/QUOTE]

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