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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4337145" data-attributes="member: 35909">I agree, it certainly doesn't hurt to provide more advice in the DMG and maybe even the PH about how ot deal with such issues and to make it clear the point is to have fun, and that often times, trampling all over the rules with some clever loophole that makes your character ridiculuously overpowered compared to everyone else is almost always not fun for the rest of the group.  Just cause something's an option doesn't make it a good idea to take it.  And while it'd be nice if there were a system with no openings for abuse, this will just never happen.  D&D is a very intricate game, with so many different variables going on at once (which is awesome!) that it's impossible for the designers to forsee every potential broken combo.  Even 4E, with its focus on balance at any expense, had been broken before it even officially went on sale, thanks to Cascade of blades.  Frankly, comparing the core 3E books to the core 4E, I'm not sure which edition even has the most potential abuses.  3E once high level spells come into play, but for the levels most often played at, it's not much worse in that regard, IMHO.  Ultimately, it's up to the DM to take charge in these situations, and for the group to agree on what to do, rather than bicker over it, when a player's new power / feat / item / whatever becomes too much.  I don't see why the rules themselves should be turning the dungeon into a padded cell, if you will, when such measures barely help.It is rather unfortunate, and I know not all who are new will want to come back after a bad experience, but even so.  IME, rotten players will be rotten no matter what system you use, and they'll find a way to ruin the game anyway.  In some ways, it might be better in the "wild west" of 3E where such players tend to stick out rather quickly than in 4E, where they can't do too much damage to the game at any one point (due to the wholesale slaughter of any potentially overpowered options in the interest of balance), and so instead slowly degrade it over time.  I'd rather just weed such people out early, drop them from the group, and move on, instead of realizing the problem deep into a campaign and things getting messier.  I don't know if that makes any sense to you, it's hard for me to explain.</blockquote>

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