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Message: <blockquote data-quote="woodelf" data-source="post: 1640644" data-attributes="member: 10201">Well, if i were running things?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">10</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">bracers of armor +3: +3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Dex 18: +4</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">ring of protection +1: +1</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">amulet of natural armor +2: +2</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">and fighting defensively: +2</li> </ul>=22, if i remembered all the values right (i haven't played D&D3E in over a year now, and don't have any books handy to double-check things like the fighting defensively bonus).So far, so good. Now, let's see:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">wraith: ignore armor for touch, which is five points, so 17 looks good to me</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">invisible: ignore dex, which is 4 points, so 18</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">cleric: more touch attack, but he's dodging the cleric, so 19</li> </ul>And that took me a lot longer to type up than to figure out. Now, i may have misremembered exactly which things count against incorporeal attacks, or invisible attackers, or whatever.  So what? So long as i'm consistent, playing in good faith, and attempting to make some sense, who cares? What i just came up with is close enough, if not spot-on. The problem is in equal measure the complexity of the rules, and slavish adherence to them. Now, in the interest of full disclosure: i played a D&D3E game for 2.5yrs, and it would take being paid to get me to run it, and it would take extraordinary circumstances to get me to even play it again. And i was only playing a monk with no buffing items.  So i'm with you in the "this just isn't fun" camp. I just wanted to point out that some of this one brings upon oneself through playstyle--you can cut down on the mental gymnastics significantly by just playing fast-n-loose, without the need to switch to a completely different system. Of course, on the gripping hand, if you're not gonna use anywhere near all the detail, you may as well switch. And you'll probably be happier then, too. But if for some reason you're stuck with D&D3E, and you don't enjoy all the crunchiness, you can tone it down.</blockquote>

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