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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 2367994" data-attributes="member: 151">Speaking as someone who DMs a group of six 25th-level characters, I can assure it gets exponentially harder to account for EVERY bonus under EVERY situation as time goes on.A running gag in our game is this: Paladin attacks creature. Paladin then runs down the list: Is it evil? Is it an Outsider? Is it Chaotic? Is it resistant to fire? Does it criticals?When you have dozens of spell-effects from multiple items, monsters powers, spells and a littany of class abilities, it's a question of context. The issue isn't the individual, it's the collective whole. The actual math isn't the problem, as Psion said...it's the accounting. Keeping track of all the data is the problem with high-level play, IMHO, not the adding of the actual numbers.The problem compounds when you have multiple similar effects, and sometimes it's unclear how they interact. Are you within 20' of Bob? Then you have SR32, unless you're chaotic, then you only get SR21, but that's superseded by your class benefit of SR25. But which comes first, your spell-based SR, bob's item that gives SR or the SR you get from your class ability (but that only works against outsiders)? Which insight bonus do you have that's the greatest...oh wait, that's not an insight bonus, it's a competence bonus...or is it a luck bonus? Hold it: it's nameless, so it stacks.And so on, and so forth.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 2367994, member: 151"] Speaking as someone who DMs a group of six 25th-level characters, I can assure it gets exponentially harder to account for EVERY bonus under EVERY situation as time goes on. A running gag in our game is this: Paladin attacks creature. Paladin then runs down the list: Is it evil? Is it an Outsider? Is it Chaotic? Is it resistant to fire? Does it criticals? When you have dozens of spell-effects from multiple items, monsters powers, spells and a littany of class abilities, it's a question of context. The issue isn't the individual, it's the collective whole. The actual math isn't the problem, as Psion said...it's the accounting. Keeping track of all the data is the problem with high-level play, IMHO, not the adding of the actual numbers. The problem compounds when you have multiple similar effects, and sometimes it's unclear how they interact. Are you within 20' of Bob? Then you have SR32, unless you're chaotic, then you only get SR21, but that's superseded by your class benefit of SR25. But which comes first, your spell-based SR, bob's item that gives SR or the SR you get from your class ability (but that only works against outsiders)? Which insight bonus do you have that's the greatest...oh wait, that's not an insight bonus, it's a competence bonus...or is it a luck bonus? Hold it: it's nameless, so it stacks. And so on, and so forth. [/QUOTE]

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