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<blockquote data-quote="Ourph" data-source="post: 2374693" data-attributes="member: 20239">1) For anyone confused by the original &quot;correct&quot; answer, the original example was given using 3.0 rules which didn't (I believe) give the +1 to Fighting Defensively for ranks in Tumble and gave the Fighting Defensively AC bonus from the beginning of the character's action, not from his first attack.2) The entire point of posting that particular example in the first place was to illustrate the point that if the DM asks the Rogue's player &quot;What is your AC?&quot; during that combat round, there is no single answer to the question.&nbsp; The answer is, in fact, extremely complex.&nbsp; It's not so complex that it cannot be done (I did it for years).&nbsp; I had no doubt in my mind when I posted that example that someone (in fact, numerous people) here would be able to answer it correctly (I was actually really surprised when not 1 but 3 posters got the answer almost 100% wrong).&nbsp; It is, however, complex enough that I didn't find it fun or relaxing.&nbsp; If you and others find that level of complexity fun, super-duper for you.&nbsp; I don't.&nbsp; Apparently the original poster didn't either.&nbsp; I find it quite humorous that you and Quasqueton seem to be so offended that someone might not want to have to deal all that crap while trying to relax and play a game.&nbsp; Does it really hit that close to home?3) I have no real way to check whether your answer is correct.&nbsp; At first read it appears so.&nbsp; To tell you the truth, it's this kind of thing that drove me away from the game in the first place and I'm not willing to go through the work of checking it out because at this point I don't have to deal with it in order to get my fantasy RPG fix and I really don't give a <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> anymore.&nbsp; If you want to deal with this kind of stuff in order to game, go for it.&nbsp; It wouldn't even be on my radar if someone hadn't resurrected this old thread and specifically quoted me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ourph, post: 2374693, member: 20239"] 1) For anyone confused by the original "correct" answer, the original example was given using 3.0 rules which didn't (I believe) give the +1 to Fighting Defensively for ranks in Tumble and gave the Fighting Defensively AC bonus from the beginning of the character's action, not from his first attack. 2) The entire point of posting that particular example in the first place was to illustrate the point that if the DM asks the Rogue's player "What is your AC?" during that combat round, there is no single answer to the question. The answer is, in fact, extremely complex. It's not so complex that it cannot be done (I did it for years). I had no doubt in my mind when I posted that example that someone (in fact, numerous people) here would be able to answer it correctly (I was actually really surprised when not 1 but 3 posters got the answer almost 100% wrong). It is, however, complex enough that I didn't find it fun or relaxing. If you and others find that level of complexity fun, super-duper for you. I don't. Apparently the original poster didn't either. I find it quite humorous that you and Quasqueton seem to be so offended that someone might not want to have to deal all that crap while trying to relax and play a game. Does it really hit that close to home? 3) I have no real way to check whether your answer is correct. At first read it appears so. To tell you the truth, it's this kind of thing that drove me away from the game in the first place and I'm not willing to go through the work of checking it out because at this point I don't have to deal with it in order to get my fantasy RPG fix and I really don't give a :):):):) anymore. If you want to deal with this kind of stuff in order to game, go for it. It wouldn't even be on my radar if someone hadn't resurrected this old thread and specifically quoted me. [/QUOTE]

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