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<blockquote data-quote="RFisher" data-source="post: 2374929" data-attributes="member: 3608">For me, I don't like the fact that 3e has skills for things that don't need a skill. Hiding is typically boolean. Either you've got a good place to hide &amp; take advantage of it or you don't. No skill or roll needed.(Now yes, I know that I can ignore the Hide skill &amp;/or leverage the take-10 &amp; take-20 rules, but my point is that I don't miss 3e's Hide skill when I play classic D&amp;D.)Plus, the thief's cool Hide in Shadows class ability has been turned into a general skill everybody has. Either the rogue has lost a cool ability or his cool ability isn't so special anymore.For me, though, classic D&amp;D combat is typically more about high level tactics than theatrics, so I don't need rules for these things. They're below the level of abstraction.I couldn't agree more. There's a point at which PCs should go into retirement (or at least semi-retirement) or the nature of the game changes (more political &amp; less combat &amp; looting) because they've outgrown the game. IMHO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RFisher, post: 2374929, member: 3608"] For me, I don't like the fact that 3e has skills for things that don't need a skill. Hiding is typically boolean. Either you've got a good place to hide & take advantage of it or you don't. No skill or roll needed. (Now yes, I know that I can ignore the Hide skill &/or leverage the take-10 & take-20 rules, but my point is that I don't miss 3e's Hide skill when I play classic D&D.) Plus, the thief's cool Hide in Shadows class ability has been turned into a general skill everybody has. Either the rogue has lost a cool ability or his cool ability isn't so special anymore. For me, though, classic D&D combat is typically more about high level tactics than theatrics, so I don't need rules for these things. They're below the level of abstraction. I couldn't agree more. There's a point at which PCs should go into retirement (or at least semi-retirement) or the nature of the game changes (more political & less combat & looting) because they've outgrown the game. IMHO. [/QUOTE]

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