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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aluvial" data-source="post: 2501667" data-attributes="member: 6862">I could really use some advice.   My campaign has been blissfully moving along with tons of adventure, daring-do, and role-play and my players seem genuinely happy with the game I've been presenting them.  I've DMd in Greyhawk as my background setting (I stay fairly in line with the general canon) for over 16 years.  Four years ago, my group switched over to the 3.0 rules, and then converted the same characters to 3.5 shortly after it was released.  Overall, we enjoy the rules, some things get changed when I want to, and we proceed. What has changed is the level of the characters.  In 1st and 2nd edition characters could reach 20th level, but to do so in a legitimate way was the stuff of legend.  I had a few characters hit 14th (maybe), but most stayed in the 6 to 11 range.  Campaigns ended when characters hit name level or their racial maximums caught up with the bulk of them.  Now I'm faced with 8 20th level characters and only a spark of an idea of how to end it.  When I told the characters at level 18 that the end was in sight, that we'd all get a chance to play through 20th level, and then some might see 21 and 22, they seemed ok.  I brought it up again last night, and the group seems hell bent against finishing and want to go Epic. I having trouble crafting the encounters necessary to challenge these guys now.  They have the best equipment (that I'll ever give out), they defeated a very tough encounter with a stronghold of orc barbarians the last session.  They wiped out around 140 9th level barbarians and their strong group of leaders, it was as if they were un-checkable.  The previous encounter had them square off against an Ancient Red Dragon.  Although I made charcoal out of two of the characters on the first blast of fire, the rest of the group (in a fierce fight) finished the dragon off in grand style.   I'm just not sure what to do with high level characters from here, and what if any realistic challenges lie ahead for them.   Thanks for any advice... Aluvial</blockquote>

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