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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Razz" data-source="post: 3612855" data-attributes="member: 3014">Not for fighting against, but for fighting with. Also, more celestials can be used for more involved (and evolved) campaigns, whether homebrew or published. They make for good NPCs and storytelling events. I just feel that celestials shouldn't be overlooked because the designer is ONLY looking at it from a "game mechanic" perspective, D&D should be much more than just that.Ah, ok. Much better than. I thought Thoon was some sort of illithid city from the sound of it and someone mentioned using Wiki and coming up with something in Eberron. Thoon being Far Realm entity is a lot more intriguing and interesting.There's plenty to mine from older editions. But from a few statements made by the designers I've read on these boards and WotC's forums, they only convert monsters if they "believe" it's interesting enough by the gamer populace to convert. I've lately been taking this as "if the designers find it interesting enough" since I don't believe they truly know how the gaming community would accept a creature until it's produced. Creature Catalog from Dragon Magazine is one of the top famous series of articles alongside Core Beliefs and Demonomicon because it produces both a mixture of converted and new creatures.There's plenty of interesting creatures left to be converted, some of which they converted only halfway (example, the remaining 3 rilmani, I believe 2 eladrins are missing, agathinon and light celestials, and definitely some yugoloths). It's just a matter of convincing the designers to seriously look into feeling nostalgic enough to pull some of those critters back from the "2E graveyard".I've totally missed that...and the funny thing was I knew the Master of the Wild Hunt was from older editions. Yet I still missed it in my post LOL Goes to show you, not enough conversions from WotC lately if I missed something like that after being overwhelmed by so many new beasties.Phantoms, yes, almost forgot that one. There're haunts on the list?</blockquote>

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