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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4674190" data-attributes="member: 4937">Yes.&nbsp; But that wasn't my point at all.&nbsp; I wasn't talking about human children. My point was that pound for pound, a good many animals were far stronger than humans.&nbsp; An average 90lb chimpanzee is as strong as a well conditioned NFL lineman.&nbsp; A gorilla the same size as that NFL lineman can kick and punch dents in 1/4&quot; steel and flip cars.&nbsp; So, ones experience with human children - who pound for pound aren't as strong as even adult male humans - doesn't really reflect even the range of realistic possibilities for a 35lb animal even if we aren't speaking of magic.When is the last time you had the oppurtunity to train a three year old that could bench press 210lbs?&nbsp; That is a realistic weight for a 35 lb animal with proportional musculature and skeleton to a great ape.&nbsp; Most of the children you train can probably deadlift about their own weight.&nbsp; What if they could deadlift 10 times their own weight?&nbsp; Would that make a difference?When I was in 6th grade, I used to play tackle football (yard ball) with some other kids in the neighborhood (same group I generally played D&amp;D with, actually).&nbsp; Most of us weighed under 100lbs wet.&nbsp; One day one of the parents decided he wanted to play with us.&nbsp; Now, one of the kids I played benched 180lbs in the 6th grade - which is practically unheard of.&nbsp; When he played with the rest of us, he knew that he didn't need to use a fraction of his strength to knock any of us down.&nbsp; When the adult came out, he decided not to hold back when he hit, and he broke three of the adults ribs.If you can do reps with 180lbs, you can hurt someone when you hit them whether you've got alot of mass or not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 4674190, member: 4937"] Yes. But that wasn't my point at all. I wasn't talking about human children. My point was that pound for pound, a good many animals were far stronger than humans. An average 90lb chimpanzee is as strong as a well conditioned NFL lineman. A gorilla the same size as that NFL lineman can kick and punch dents in 1/4" steel and flip cars. So, ones experience with human children - who pound for pound aren't as strong as even adult male humans - doesn't really reflect even the range of realistic possibilities for a 35lb animal even if we aren't speaking of magic. When is the last time you had the oppurtunity to train a three year old that could bench press 210lbs? That is a realistic weight for a 35 lb animal with proportional musculature and skeleton to a great ape. Most of the children you train can probably deadlift about their own weight. What if they could deadlift 10 times their own weight? Would that make a difference? When I was in 6th grade, I used to play tackle football (yard ball) with some other kids in the neighborhood (same group I generally played D&D with, actually). Most of us weighed under 100lbs wet. One day one of the parents decided he wanted to play with us. Now, one of the kids I played benched 180lbs in the 6th grade - which is practically unheard of. When he played with the rest of us, he knew that he didn't need to use a fraction of his strength to knock any of us down. When the adult came out, he decided not to hold back when he hit, and he broke three of the adults ribs. If you can do reps with 180lbs, you can hurt someone when you hit them whether you've got alot of mass or not. [/QUOTE]

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