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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GameOgre" data-source="post: 6255980" data-attributes="member: 57914">Sorry the first post went over my head! Talk about seeing the meaning of a post that you are wanting to see!As a player you need to realize that the game is a lot easier on your end than the DM's and try and have fun no matter what game system it is. Now if you try it for a while and don't like it I perfectly understand not wanting to play.If it just isn't fun to you then you have tons of options.1-Stop playing with that group. Bad option as at least most of the time we play with our friends or the limited people we can find to play. Changing groups either isn't a option or not one we are willing to make.2-Talk the DM and other players into a different game. Hard to do sometimes but one sneaky little way I have found around this is to buy the DM a new rpg. Cost a few bucks sometimes but the DM will more than likely REALLY appreciate it and nothing screams to the DM like a brand new kick arse game! Now the other players on the other hand......3-Keep playing and make the best of it. Really there is nothing about Pathfinder that says you can't make the exact kind of character you might find in basic D&D. Don't like all the fiddly bits to the rules? Don't use em. Make a simple two handed great axe dwarf fighter and role play your arse off! You don't have to get sucked into the multiclass/min max race to max dpr. Just have fun! Sure from time to time you might get sundered or disarmed but unless it's THAT type of game most of the time it's just grumble curses at the long eared elf,swig down some ale and hack your way through armies of greenies!4-Start running a game yourself. Most DM's will be thrilled to get a chance to play! Just make sure you don't step on his ego/toes and let him finish up what he is running now or run it at different times. Really asking him to let you know when he needs a break from DMing is the best way. From time to time even the best and most fervent DM's get burned out.</blockquote>

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