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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8720221" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Ahh the <em>Supernatural</em> solution.</p><p></p><p>Minor spoilers for Supernatural here (I'm on S10 people so don't spoil me on anything big please), but after a lot of demonic badguys who absolutely fit the over-emotional, untrustworthy idiot mould, Supernatural eventually came up with a demon called Crowley who is smart, reasonably respectful (he likes to take the piss but not when it'll cause him problems), definitely diplomatic, and very insistent about sticking to his deals. He gets a huge amount of play because he's not a zealot, an idiot, a crook (in the normal sense), overemotional, is not really that arrogant/filled with hubris, and so on, where virtually all other demons (and naughty angels and so on) who are those things meet sticky ends in fairly short order. He's a "Crossroads Demon" originally so is entirely about signing and fulfilling contracts (and in one season is directly contrasted with a much more D&D-ish demon). He's even against schemes which might delegitimize the "contract economy" by lowering trust in it among mortals (i.e. he's focused on long-term profit rather than short-term).</p><p></p><p>I feel like dragons that don't reek of overweening greed, arrogance and hubris aren't really <em>dragons</em>, myself, which I think is part of the issue. They're literally supposed to be exemplars for those things. If they're all careful planning, what's even the difference from a Wizard who knows Shapechange (a question posited by more than one fantasy novel, I note)?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8720221, member: 18"] Ahh the [I]Supernatural[/I] solution. Minor spoilers for Supernatural here (I'm on S10 people so don't spoil me on anything big please), but after a lot of demonic badguys who absolutely fit the over-emotional, untrustworthy idiot mould, Supernatural eventually came up with a demon called Crowley who is smart, reasonably respectful (he likes to take the piss but not when it'll cause him problems), definitely diplomatic, and very insistent about sticking to his deals. He gets a huge amount of play because he's not a zealot, an idiot, a crook (in the normal sense), overemotional, is not really that arrogant/filled with hubris, and so on, where virtually all other demons (and naughty angels and so on) who are those things meet sticky ends in fairly short order. He's a "Crossroads Demon" originally so is entirely about signing and fulfilling contracts (and in one season is directly contrasted with a much more D&D-ish demon). He's even against schemes which might delegitimize the "contract economy" by lowering trust in it among mortals (i.e. he's focused on long-term profit rather than short-term). I feel like dragons that don't reek of overweening greed, arrogance and hubris aren't really [I]dragons[/I], myself, which I think is part of the issue. They're literally supposed to be exemplars for those things. If they're all careful planning, what's even the difference from a Wizard who knows Shapechange (a question posited by more than one fantasy novel, I note)? [/QUOTE]
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