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<blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5522804" data-attributes="member: 78116">Now that I've seen a good deal (a really good deal) of the class &quot;Powerful&quot; isn't the word I would use. I would still use the word swingy, but with durable they eliminate a great deal of their Achilles heel - especially at the lower levels. Two attack stats (Dex for most melee attack powers and charisma for certain other powers) that can't be avoided as you're railroaded into taking them doesn't help either.They feel distinctly underpowered as strikers as well, which doesn't help and I think they might be competing with the OAssassin for the bottom of the barrel striker wise. At the same time, from what I have read about them I do get an impression they might actually be interesting controllers. Many of their forms can escape nasty situations and they do pack some nice effects in pulling/pushing at-will (and get both of them, plus some THP generation), plus the burst encounter/dailies (that again, often seem to pack decent effects). They get a dominate and can later turn their dominate into a nasty catch-22 that also dazes when they use it to get a surge.Overall I think as strikers they don't sound spectacular at all, especially because as an MBA is not a vampire power they can't get as much out of charge cheese as other essentials classes (eg Slayer) can. But as more of a controller role, I think they might have some real merit.It's far from the total disaster I was afraid of though, especially with taking durable.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aegeri, post: 5522804, member: 78116"] Now that I've seen a good deal (a really good deal) of the class "Powerful" isn't the word I would use. I would still use the word swingy, but with durable they eliminate a great deal of their Achilles heel - especially at the lower levels. Two attack stats (Dex for most melee attack powers and charisma for certain other powers) that can't be avoided as you're railroaded into taking them doesn't help either. They feel distinctly underpowered as strikers as well, which doesn't help and I think they might be competing with the OAssassin for the bottom of the barrel striker wise. At the same time, from what I have read about them I do get an impression they might actually be interesting controllers. Many of their forms can escape nasty situations and they do pack some nice effects in pulling/pushing at-will (and get both of them, plus some THP generation), plus the burst encounter/dailies (that again, often seem to pack decent effects). They get a dominate and can later turn their dominate into a nasty catch-22 that also dazes when they use it to get a surge. Overall I think as strikers they don't sound spectacular at all, especially because as an MBA is not a vampire power they can't get as much out of charge cheese as other essentials classes (eg Slayer) can. But as more of a controller role, I think they might have some real merit. It's far from the total disaster I was afraid of though, especially with taking durable. [/QUOTE]

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