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<blockquote data-quote="Estlor" data-source="post: 5646945" data-attributes="member: 7261"><p>Except it's not. A Wizard (Arcanist) or Wizard (Mage) is what a controller should be. A Wizard (Bladesinger) is a striker that somehow got inexplicity labeled a controller and wasn't fixed in editing or playtest.</p><p></p><p>Yes, I know the bladespell powers all have a slight control rub added on to them and a bladesinger's dailies are all wizard encounter powers (that, one would assume, offer controller benefits), but that's not what the class and native paragon path promote.</p><p></p><p>You have a MBA-centric class with a bonus damage mechanic. (Sounds like a monk.) You have an encounter utility that adds considerable damage to the bladesinger's MBA. You have a class feature that lets you do both an encounter as daily <u><strong>and</strong></u> a MBA in the same round. There's another extra damage mechanic. You have another class feature that lets you make extra opportunity attacks when your striker encounter power is in effect. You've got a paragon path with an action point feature that lets you make lots of bonus MBA when your striker encounter power is in effect.</p><p></p><p>Still don't believe me? Consider that by level 11, your Eldarin Bladesinger can throw out a nova round that does 5d8 + 36 damage, plus an extra 2 + Dex damage three times, and triggers the cold vulnerability of Lasting Frost six times.</p><p></p><p>11th Level Eladrin Bladesinger</p><p>Max Int/Dex (21 each at 11th, for +5 mod)</p><p></p><p>Frost Rapier +2</p><p>Bracers of Might Striking (heroic)</p><p>Light Blade Expertise</p><p>Blade Initiate (swordmage MC)</p><p>Eladrin Swordmage Advance</p><p>Weapon Focus (light blade)</p><p>Wintertouched</p><p>Lasting Frost</p><p></p><p>Round 1</p><p>Minor: Bladesong</p><p>Standard/Move: Whatever. Doesn't matter.</p><p></p><p>Round 2</p><p>Standard: Winter's Wrath</p><p>Move: Fey Step adjacent.</p><p>Free: MBA from Eladrin Swordmage Advance</p><p>No Action: Use Frost Bite on same target</p><p>Minor: MBA</p><p>No Action: Use Frost Bite on the same target</p><p>Standard (from AP): MBA</p><p>No Action: Use Frost Bite on the same target</p><p>Bonus MBA from paragon path feature for action point</p><p>No Action: Use Frost Bite on the same target</p><p></p><p>Winter's Wrath - 2d8 + 12 (+5 Int, +2 enhancement, +5 bladesong) cold damage, inflicts vulnerable 5 cold</p><p>MBA - 1d8 + 23 cold damage (+5 Int, +2 enhancement, +2 item, +2 feat, +5 bladesong, +2 expertise, +5 vulnerability)</p><p>Frost Bite - 7 + 5 damage (vulnerability)</p><p></p><p>That averages out to 179 points of damage in the nova round. At 11th level. Without a lot of item cheese.</p><p></p><p>Don't get me wrong; it reads like a fun, interesting class. But it's not a controller. Unless you consider "dead" the controlling status <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Estlor, post: 5646945, member: 7261"] Except it's not. A Wizard (Arcanist) or Wizard (Mage) is what a controller should be. A Wizard (Bladesinger) is a striker that somehow got inexplicity labeled a controller and wasn't fixed in editing or playtest. Yes, I know the bladespell powers all have a slight control rub added on to them and a bladesinger's dailies are all wizard encounter powers (that, one would assume, offer controller benefits), but that's not what the class and native paragon path promote. You have a MBA-centric class with a bonus damage mechanic. (Sounds like a monk.) You have an encounter utility that adds considerable damage to the bladesinger's MBA. You have a class feature that lets you do both an encounter as daily [U][B]and[/B][/U] a MBA in the same round. There's another extra damage mechanic. You have another class feature that lets you make extra opportunity attacks when your striker encounter power is in effect. You've got a paragon path with an action point feature that lets you make lots of bonus MBA when your striker encounter power is in effect. Still don't believe me? Consider that by level 11, your Eldarin Bladesinger can throw out a nova round that does 5d8 + 36 damage, plus an extra 2 + Dex damage three times, and triggers the cold vulnerability of Lasting Frost six times. 11th Level Eladrin Bladesinger Max Int/Dex (21 each at 11th, for +5 mod) Frost Rapier +2 Bracers of Might Striking (heroic) Light Blade Expertise Blade Initiate (swordmage MC) Eladrin Swordmage Advance Weapon Focus (light blade) Wintertouched Lasting Frost Round 1 Minor: Bladesong Standard/Move: Whatever. Doesn't matter. Round 2 Standard: Winter's Wrath Move: Fey Step adjacent. Free: MBA from Eladrin Swordmage Advance No Action: Use Frost Bite on same target Minor: MBA No Action: Use Frost Bite on the same target Standard (from AP): MBA No Action: Use Frost Bite on the same target Bonus MBA from paragon path feature for action point No Action: Use Frost Bite on the same target Winter's Wrath - 2d8 + 12 (+5 Int, +2 enhancement, +5 bladesong) cold damage, inflicts vulnerable 5 cold MBA - 1d8 + 23 cold damage (+5 Int, +2 enhancement, +2 item, +2 feat, +5 bladesong, +2 expertise, +5 vulnerability) Frost Bite - 7 + 5 damage (vulnerability) That averages out to 179 points of damage in the nova round. At 11th level. Without a lot of item cheese. Don't get me wrong; it reads like a fun, interesting class. But it's not a controller. Unless you consider "dead" the controlling status ;) [/QUOTE]
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