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Message: <blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 7298614" data-attributes="member: 6704184">That mindset that you describe wasn't even universal within the society from which the Templars came, or even amongst crusaders. The "it was a different time" excuse only goes so far. Read up on European responses to the military jurisprudence of their Muslim adversaries, sometimes. Note how they admire their moral character, and often even decry their own neighbors in comparison. Morality wasn't invented in the 18th century. Also, the Templars literally went against their own vows throughout their careers. That is evil by their own worldview. Now, the question of Drow is interesting. Their culture in Menzo is Evil. Nothing cartoon about it. They are raised to kill the weak, not for any greater good, or a delusion that it makes their society better, but because it pleases Llolth, and because if they don't they will die isntead. What's fascinating to me are stories like Daughter of The Drow, which explores how a person raised in that might come out of that culture and realise how messed up it is, and seek a better life. IMO, a much better exploration of non evil drow than the drizzt stories. Either way, though, the culture itself is quite evil. The drow aren't giggling about how evil they are, they are giggling (insofar as they giggle) about how much fun it is to murder people in the night and sacrifice them to Llolth. They're evil for the same reasons that serial killers are evil.  THey aren't even evil in the same way as Hitler or Stalin, because they don't want a better world. They don't seem to believe that Good folk are even genuine in their goodness. They look at the world and see a Frank Miller grimdark hellscape where all "good" is hypocritical lies meant to keep the weak from challenging the strong, because that's all they know. That's genuinely interesting and a bit scary. "From my point of view the Jedi are evil" is, IMO, very meh.</blockquote>

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