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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Frostmarrow" data-source="post: 156959" data-attributes="member: 1122">I agree that it could be nice with FT from a flavor perspective but I don't see why we can't have flavor without it. For me the ranger concept should include things like ranged weapons, ability to track, almost supernatural senses and an uncanny ability to survive even the harshest conditions. I see the ranger as a rugged outdoors-man who possess abilities honed in the wild that will astound city people. A ranger should be an expert at performing feats with relatively modest resources. A ranger in my mind is swift and deadly (guerilla style) in a war but professional and to the point when hunting. For me the flavor of the ranger is what he knows and how it can apply in civilized territory as well. I don't like the idea of a person suddenly becoming radically worse at hiding, for example, just because he is standing behind a dumpster rather than a big rock. As I mentioned above; no one would suggest that a rogue should become better in a city than in a dungeon so why should the ranger be treated this way? In a medieval society the wilderness might be considered the norm rather than city life.Moreover FT is not just. If a ranger has FT (forest) and the entire campaign takes place in a forest that ranger is at his best all the time. If another ranger is whisked away by the whim of a DM and has to make his way in a series of dungeons, that ranger is never going to be at his best. If we compare this with the fighter we see that a fighter is always at his best. There is always going to be use for a character who knows how to defeat monsters. It doesn't matter if we are going to fight knee deep in mud or on an arena floor - all fighters will always be equally useful. This is not the case with the ranger with FT. It's like creating a fighter who specializes in greatsword and later learn that the greatsword factory has gone chapter eleven.Well, to each his own. If you think FT is a good addition to the ranger you should use it. I think Crocodile Dundee is a good example of a ranger. Dundee can survive on roots in the outback for years and is a marksman with ranged weapons. He can use a knife, a can or a rifle with the same unerring accuracy. He hears or spot things before others do, even though Dundee himself exaggerates this ability a bit. His skills are equally valuable in the NY subway as on his walkabout.</blockquote>

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